Comair Crash

[Rotorhead]

AirTran Chief Pilot Office confirmed it was indeed one of our FO's jumpseating. God bless all of the families involved.

glad 2 c it is not you.

 

[Piper877]

No more PFTers. No more 300 hour wonders.

Yeah you need to read some of the facts involved here. The captain had 7 years with ComAir and the FO 4. I think they both were exclusive to the CRJ-200 during their tenure with the company. So more than likely the FO had well in excess of 3000 hours and the captain many many more. Familiarize yourself with the situation before you make comments like that and lets wait to see what the chain of errors reveals here. The CVR should be the most telling component I think.

RIP to all involved in the tragedy.

 

[boknowsASA]

I can't fathom how many of you can carry on as you do after 49 people pass, one life hangs in there by the grace of God, and hundreds of family members and friends grieve like many of you cannot imagine, I know I can't.

I challenge all of you to close your mouths, bow your heads and repeat after me....

Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.


Now I request the mod's to end this thread on a solemn note and stop the name calling and bickering.

W

You and I are the only ones who get. I couldnt have said it better myself! I cant even begin to understand why our other brothers and sisters on here continue to curse at each other on a thread topic like this. It's time to put our petty differences aside.

 

[atrdriver]

Have you ever heard of companies such as FedEx, UPS, Airborne, Capital, ATI, etc...fly at night, sleep during the day. If you fly standups, then adjust to the schedule. Remember on the application that you filled out, where you checked the box that said you would be able to work weekends, holidays, and NIGHTS? The four hours of sleep at night complement the six plus you should get during the day. Oh, and by the way, they weren't on a standup anyways.

The problem isn't flying CDO's. Anyone can adjust their sleep cycle to compensate for flying at night. The problem is when you fly a normal 3 day trip, followed by a CDO or two. It is not safe nor is it realistic to expect a crew to be able to adjust their body clocks over the period of 12 hours. I understand that this incident was not a CDO, but that is the problem with them.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

There was probably only one controller in the tower at the time. Recording ATIS, ground control, clearance, and tower ops. Along with probably a pile of paperwork. Blame Congress for not properly funding ATC, for not having the tower properly staffed.

Republican Congress

 

[Hugh Johnson]

I hope the CVR doesn't have any conversation about the short runway or a remark to the JS "Watch this!" or something like that. I understand that there was work either in progress or recently done at the airport that might have effected signage, etc.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

I hope the CVR doesn't have any conversation about the short runway or a remark to the JS "Watch this!" or something like that. I understand that there was work either in progress or recently done at the airport that might have effected signage, etc.

There was no jumpseater in the cockpit. It was confirmed he was an Airtran FO. Airtran doesnt have CASS = no cockpit jumpseat. He had a seat in the back.

The work that was done was to extend the safety overrun of the long runway and to repave/repaint it. The work was completed a week ago I believe and the airport was closed (to commercial traffic at least) for 3 days.

 

[Guitar rocker]

I can't fathom how many of you can carry on as you do after 49 people pass, one life hangs in there by the grace of God, and hundreds of family members and friends grieve like many of you cannot imagine, I know I can't.

I challenge all of you to close your mouths, bow your heads and repeat after me....

Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.


Now I request the mod's to end this thread on a solemn note and stop the name calling and bickering.

W

Dubya is right on.

 

[LoneStar123]

God bless to all those involved and to those who are hurting tonight. A very sad day

 

[twepilot]

yes, I agree.

And thanks.

RV

 

[328dude]

I'm not speculating here, but does Comair get their takeoff data from ACARS or do they sill use the paper format. They might have had numbers for that runway, but the configuration was wrong.

Just a thought, but a sad day for all involved. My condolences to the family's involved.

 

[PCL_128]

Yeah you need to read some of the facts involved here. The captain had 7 years with ComAir and the FO 4. I think they both were exclusive to the CRJ-200 during their tenure with the company. So more than likely the FO had well in excess of 3000 hours and the captain many many more. Familiarize yourself with the situation before you make comments like that and lets wait to see what the chain of errors reveals here. The CVR should be the most telling component I think.

RIP to all involved in the tragedy.

The FO probably had lots more time than that even. Jim was a Captain and sim instructor at my previous airline. Judging by how long he worked there plus the 4 years at Comair, I would guess that he has in excess of 6,000 hours. This sounds like an extremely experienced crew. Just goes to show that these things can happen to any of us.

RIP to all killed in this accident. My thoughts and prayers are with Jim and the families.

P.S. Anyone know how well Jim is doing after the surgery? I knew him pretty well when we both worked at GIA. Great guy and very proficient pilot. I hope he makes it out ok.

 

[flyboyike]

I challenge all of you to close your mouths, bow your heads and repeat after me....

Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.

Amen.

 

[ArcticFlier]

We don't do continuous duties to ATL.

If they got pulled off their original trip and got reflowed, it very well could have been reduced rest, no?


AF

 

[TOOL CRIB]

The FO probably had lots more time than that even. Jim was a Captain and sim instructor at my previous airline. Judging by how long he worked there plus the 4 years at Comair, I would guess that he has in excess of 6,000 hours. This sounds like an extremely experienced crew. Just goes to show that these things can happen to any of us.

FYI, I heard the capt was 34 or 35 and the FO was 44 I think.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

If they got pulled off their original trip and got reflowed, it very well could have been reduced rest, no?


AF

It's possible, but Comair's president said the crew had "more than adequate" or "well in excess" of the required rest that they needed in his first public address. I forget which term he used.

 

[ArcticFlier]

..............bow your heads and repeat after me....

Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.


Now I request the mod's to end this thread on a solemn note and stop the name calling and bickering.

W

Done.


AF

 

[SPDBRD747400]

My thoughts are with the family and the people lost in this terrible tradegy, God speed to all...

 

[Yodafly]

When rescuers reached it, the plane was largely intact but in flames. A police officer burned his arms dragging the only survivor from the cracked cockpit.

can anyone say HERO

god bless to all the familys

 

[CatYaaak]

Question: How long has Lexington been in Comair's route structure?

No doubt the investigators will try to determine how familiar the crew was with the airport through company records.

Sympathies to all the families and friends of passengers and crew.