Comair Crash

[John Pennekamp]

Ah gahd Trace, he is on air showing that the angle of attack was 90 degrees on his little model. These Foxnews reporters are losing it....I cant listen to them anymore.

Does anyone know what the all engines takeoff distance (to 35 feet) would have been on this day? In other words, could it have made VR before the end of the short runway?

The media cover has been ridiculous. Makes me think of a Don Henley song:

"Got the bubble-headed bleach blonde, comes on at 5... she can talk about the plane crash, with a gleam in her eyes... it's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry..."

 

[fried chickens]

Fox never has a clue what they're talking about...I remember shortly after Katrina, one of their wx man said (when the damaged to the levies weren't apparent yet) that he knew all along this wasn't going to be that devestating and why everyone was all concern because he knew it wasn't going to hit directly. A few hours later water was pouring into the city.

 

[johnsonrod]

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but I heard the Vietnamese anchor woman on CNN this morning refer to the First Officer as the "First Lieutenant."

Como say what? Where do they get these people?????? Terrible and sloppy.

RIP to those involved.

 

[C680]

Trace gallagher just said they " teach pilots how to take off with dual engine failure." I say we bombard Foxnews with emails about their lousy reporting.

 

[VABB]

Mistake possible to make, the runways ends are very close together. I hope this one wasn't pilot error.

Wouldn't the tower have caught that? Or is it part-time?

How can it not be pilot error? (regarding lining up on the wrong runway) It will be very interesting to read the CVR transcripts when they are released.

 

[punkpilot48]

The airlines are always the last to get the most up-to-date avionics/equipment.

I agree its absolutley ridiculous that the c172 that is going out to do lazy eights has more sophistacted wx alerting instruments than the 32 million dolllar airplane behind it wait for them to do their run up.

 

[VABB]

Embry-Riddle Comments

This just came across the radio from some idiot ERAU professor in Arizona.

I missed his name, but some professor from ERAU is shooting his mouth off about how he thinks the accident is engine-related.

 

[Murdoughnut]

This just came across the radio from some idiot ERAU professor in Arizona.

I missed his name, but some professor from ERAU is shooting his mouth off about how he thinks the accident is engine-related.

I heard the same thing - crazy.

Will be interesting to see if the CVR shows any indication that these guys were tired. The folks on this board have been saying for a long time that it would take an accident before the FAA stepped up to do anything about it. Unfortunately, this may be it. Fatigue might not have been an issue at all, of course. Sad sad day.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Man...... I just woke up from my nap and found out that the Capt was Jeff Clay. Jeff was my first CFI when I got to college. He gave me 2 lessons and called off of my 3rd so he could celebrate him going to Comair. Jeff was a SUPER NICE guy. My heart and prays go out to his and FO Polehinsky's(sp) family and friends.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Hi!

I don't understand why Jepps isn't up to date.

At our home airport, they just finished a new taxiway. It wasn't on the airport diagram, so I looked in Q service, and it wasn't there either!

It's not like the repave stuff/build new taxiways, etc. in 1 day. They should tell Jepps what they're doing and when they expect to finish, so Jepps could have accurate info out to the pilots as the construction is finished.

With the internet and today's communication abilities, there is no reason not to have accurate diagrams/approaches available in the cockpit.

I understand that Jepps sometimes screws up, but this construction stuff is planned and takes months/weeks, so the information is known ahead of time.

cliff
DFW

Jepp is always behind NOS. This is been a problem that Jepp has been working on for at least 3 years.

 

[liz289101]

Guys, please be careful when looking at Google maps. I've looked up several locations and the maps did not show newer buildings that are there. The screen shots are not always live shots.

My thoughts and prayers are with the crew, passengers, and friends and families of the victims.

 

[j41driver]

I was wondering who the jumpseater could have been. My condolences, not a way I'd want to go. That erases the theory that he was sitting in the cockpit though since Airtran is not CASS.

AirTran Chief Pilot Office confirmed it was indeed one of our FO's jumpseating. God bless all of the families involved.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

What the hell CNN reported the pilots arrived last night at just past midnight and were out at 6:00am the next day.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Terrible... You never ever want to hear this kind of news. Ruined my day, but that is nothing compared to the families without loved ones tonight. Prayers for them all.

I will join the chorus of PROFESSIONAL pilots who refuse to speculate about the cause, no matter how bad it looks for the crew involved. Two reasons: First, the press is a poor resource for aviation information. Second, Karma is a nasty bi*ch that drives one hell of a big bus. I for one don't want to piss her off and have her hunting me down.

Just remember boys and girls, you are one tiny mistake away from being just like these poor folks. Act accordingly.

 

[XPOO]

Karma is a nasty bi*ch that drives one hell of a big bus. I for one don't want to piss her off and have her hunting me down.

Thanks, Earl!