Comair Crash

[ifleyelearz]

Guys/Gals regardless what happens to come of this we should all pray for these people and us as pilots should thank god that nothing like this has happened to us, tell your family you love them and do something nice for someone for a change. We all need to support each other no matter what the verdict is.

Well put brother.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

From Comair pres it was N431CA

 

[PA31Ho]

Of course we can speculate all day long sitting here alive on the ground. I only worked for a regional for a year and I know that fatigue is not uncommon! 6 in the morning, taxing out, heading bug set on 260 for the initial heading (not sure how Comair operates, but we didn't set the heading bug until after t/o to follow the comand bars), got to the end of the taxi way, lined up on the wrong runway and blasted off. I can definately see how that could be done by any one of us pilots.

I'm not in any means trying to give excuses to say it wasn't pilot error, and I'm not saying it was pilot error. But while I am on the subject, I think that the 121 duty times and all that mess need to be tightened up. All you regional guys know that it is not uncommon to have a 15+ hour duty day - especially when you are about to leave you have to do a part 91 ferry flight (of course you don't have to accept it, I don't know) but you get my drift.

There is a program floating around called SAFE. Try to get your hands on it. it really is quite interesting to see sleep deprivation according to what your schedule is.

 

[ultrarunner]

A fully loaded CRJ wouldn't even be able to get airborne in 3500 could it?

 

[ultrarunner]

what is a CDO?

Condinuous Duty Overnight.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I don't understand why Jepps isn't up to date.

At our home airport, they just finished a new taxiway. It wasn't on the airport diagram, so I looked in Q service, and it wasn't there either!

It's not like the repave stuff/build new taxiways, etc. in 1 day. They should tell Jepps what they're doing and when they expect to finish, so Jepps could have accurate info out to the pilots as the construction is finished.

With the internet and today's communication abilities, there is no reason not to have accurate diagrams/approaches available in the cockpit.

I understand that Jepps sometimes screws up, but this construction stuff is planned and takes months/weeks, so the information is known ahead of time.

cliff
DFW

 

[Metro752]

Also, I would like to take back the 3500x75 & the 7000x150, as you can see here it has like a shoulder on both sides, and who is looking at the white lines, that would be as$tarded.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/Misc_Photos/5191RNWY.jpg

 

[Jetz]

Trace

Fox News reporter Trace Gallagher just said they had 13,000 lbs of bags on board....therefore please do not be too quick to take anything you hear on the news as fact.

Ah gahd Trace, he is on air showing that the angle of attack was 90 degrees on his little model. These Foxnews reporters are losing it....I cant listen to them anymore.

Does anyone know what the all engines takeoff distance (to 35 feet) would have been on this day? In other words, could it have made VR before the end of the short runway?

 

[ALPO]

I have to say the Comair CEO is facing this like a true leader. Immediately to the crash scene giving news conferences not through a spokesman.

 

[thesource]

Fox bafoons!
As of 3:10 pm they are showing highlighted pictures ( a circular highlight) of the aircraft and talking about how you can see the aircraft is mostly intact.
The picture they are so excited about is actually a fire truck and it is very obvious. What putzes.

Also the reporter is describing how when you reach the end of a runway that is too short the pilot will over rotate and get a compressor stall. While he is talking he is showing the attitude of the aircraft with a model. He holds the model in a 90 degree nose up position and says the plane would look this way as it left the runway.

These people should be silenced ! somehow!

God speed.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

I have to say the Comair CEO is facing this like a true leader. Immediately to the crash scene giving news conferences not through a spokesman.

I agree. For being the CEO for what, a month now? He is doing an excellent job.

 

[wms]

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[fried chickens]

My condolences to all the families.

If it turns out that they tried to takeoff from a 3500 ft rwy, it shows that sh!t and mistakes can happened at the "upper echelon" regionals

 

[Midnight Flyer]

You must be an awesome dude to be all knowing and all seeing. It is very obvious that you have never made a mistake in your aviation career. I am sure you have never missed a switch/checklist item/frequency.

Just remember that even if what you THINK turns out to be true, these individuals are Fathers, Sons, Mothers, Daughters, Husbands and Wives. Think of what the people like you and the press are now putting anyone related to the crew through. You are acting in a very insensitve, uncaring, cold-hearted and unprofessional manner. All in the sake of making yourself look good.

Should your assessment be accurate, that is for the NTSB to decide, and should be discussed in the training environment, in private so that no one else makes a similar mistake.

I only hope no family members of the crew have been on this board and read your childish comments. You should be ashamed of yourself.

400,
Are you forgetting what country we live in and that we as citizens have a right to express ourselves through freedom of speech?
Who made you the moral police? What makes you the expert on judging IFLYABEECH's comments and then deciding if it's the appropriate time for him to voice his opinion as to what happened?
I personally don't believe IFLYABEECH is being insensitive, uncaring nor coldhearted. He has offered his condolences to the passengers, family and crew.
Just because IFLYABEECH voiced an opinion as to what he thinks might have happened dosen't mean he himself has never made a mistake; I don't know where you come up with that asinine line of thinking.

Geeze 400, just get off the guys case and lets keep the arguing and sarcasm out of this thread. Lets focus on respecting the families and victims of this horrific tragedy.

 

[Charlie Brown]

God bless tham all.....

 

[John Pennekamp]

Ah gahd Trace, he is on air showing that the angle of attack was 90 degrees on his little model. These Foxnews reporters are losing it....I cant listen to them anymore.

Does anyone know what the all engines takeoff distance (to 35 feet) would have been on this day? In other words, could it have made VR before the end of the short runway?

The media cover has been ridiculous. Makes me think of a Don Henley song:

"Got the bubble-headed bleach blonde, comes on at 5... she can talk about the plane crash, with a gleam in her eyes... it's interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry..."

 

[fried chickens]

Fox never has a clue what they're talking about...I remember shortly after Katrina, one of their wx man said (when the damaged to the levies weren't apparent yet) that he knew all along this wasn't going to be that devestating and why everyone was all concern because he knew it wasn't going to hit directly. A few hours later water was pouring into the city.

 

[johnsonrod]

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but I heard the Vietnamese anchor woman on CNN this morning refer to the First Officer as the "First Lieutenant."

Como say what? Where do they get these people?????? Terrible and sloppy.

RIP to those involved.

 

[C680]

Trace gallagher just said they " teach pilots how to take off with dual engine failure." I say we bombard Foxnews with emails about their lousy reporting.

 

[VABB]

Mistake possible to make, the runways ends are very close together. I hope this one wasn't pilot error.

Wouldn't the tower have caught that? Or is it part-time?

How can it not be pilot error? (regarding lining up on the wrong runway) It will be very interesting to read the CVR transcripts when they are released.

 

[punkpilot48]

The airlines are always the last to get the most up-to-date avionics/equipment.

I agree its absolutley ridiculous that the c172 that is going out to do lazy eights has more sophistacted wx alerting instruments than the 32 million dolllar airplane behind it wait for them to do their run up.

 

[VABB]

Embry-Riddle Comments

This just came across the radio from some idiot ERAU professor in Arizona.

I missed his name, but some professor from ERAU is shooting his mouth off about how he thinks the accident is engine-related.

 

[Murdoughnut]

This just came across the radio from some idiot ERAU professor in Arizona.

I missed his name, but some professor from ERAU is shooting his mouth off about how he thinks the accident is engine-related.

I heard the same thing - crazy.

Will be interesting to see if the CVR shows any indication that these guys were tired. The folks on this board have been saying for a long time that it would take an accident before the FAA stepped up to do anything about it. Unfortunately, this may be it. Fatigue might not have been an issue at all, of course. Sad sad day.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Man...... I just woke up from my nap and found out that the Capt was Jeff Clay. Jeff was my first CFI when I got to college. He gave me 2 lessons and called off of my 3rd so he could celebrate him going to Comair. Jeff was a SUPER NICE guy. My heart and prays go out to his and FO Polehinsky's(sp) family and friends.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Hi!

I don't understand why Jepps isn't up to date.

At our home airport, they just finished a new taxiway. It wasn't on the airport diagram, so I looked in Q service, and it wasn't there either!

It's not like the repave stuff/build new taxiways, etc. in 1 day. They should tell Jepps what they're doing and when they expect to finish, so Jepps could have accurate info out to the pilots as the construction is finished.

With the internet and today's communication abilities, there is no reason not to have accurate diagrams/approaches available in the cockpit.

I understand that Jepps sometimes screws up, but this construction stuff is planned and takes months/weeks, so the information is known ahead of time.

cliff
DFW

Jepp is always behind NOS. This is been a problem that Jepp has been working on for at least 3 years.

 

[liz289101]

Guys, please be careful when looking at Google maps. I've looked up several locations and the maps did not show newer buildings that are there. The screen shots are not always live shots.

My thoughts and prayers are with the crew, passengers, and friends and families of the victims.

 

[j41driver]

I was wondering who the jumpseater could have been. My condolences, not a way I'd want to go. That erases the theory that he was sitting in the cockpit though since Airtran is not CASS.

AirTran Chief Pilot Office confirmed it was indeed one of our FO's jumpseating. God bless all of the families involved.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

What the hell CNN reported the pilots arrived last night at just past midnight and were out at 6:00am the next day.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Terrible... You never ever want to hear this kind of news. Ruined my day, but that is nothing compared to the families without loved ones tonight. Prayers for them all.

I will join the chorus of PROFESSIONAL pilots who refuse to speculate about the cause, no matter how bad it looks for the crew involved. Two reasons: First, the press is a poor resource for aviation information. Second, Karma is a nasty bi*ch that drives one hell of a big bus. I for one don't want to piss her off and have her hunting me down.

Just remember boys and girls, you are one tiny mistake away from being just like these poor folks. Act accordingly.

 

[XPOO]

Karma is a nasty bi*ch that drives one hell of a big bus. I for one don't want to piss her off and have her hunting me down.

Thanks, Earl!