Colgan 3407 Down in Buffalo

[cale42]

I've had to stop watching CNN.. I can't take it anymore.. less than 1 hour before they drove me insane.

 

[atrdriver]

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of those involved.

 

[Ineedabrew]

Very sad

A very crappy way to start a 3 day trip.

I can not imagine the pain that family members are feeling now. Very sad

God bless to you all

Alright now I have to clear my head and pack the Tuna Salad lunch kits for the trip.

Take Care all

 

[Motive Flow]

You have to set the bar pretty low when watching news coverage after an accident (or just don't watch).

Two gems I saw and heard on Fox News:

1.) The A/C was carrying 5000 gallons of fuel.
2.) They showed a picture of a Saab 340 (this was about 11 hours after the accident). At least it had the correct paint scheme!

My two extremely speculative theories (both already brought up):

1.) Tail plane icing.
2.) Beta in-flight.

 

[MCDU]

- Captain Marvin Renslow joined Colgan on September 9, 2005. Captain Renslow had flown 3,379 hours with Colgan Air.
- First Officer Rebecca Shaw joined Colgan on January 16, 2008. Ms. Shaw had flown 2,244 hours with Colgan Air.


Most junior Q400 capt hired: Sept 2005

It appears that he flew the Saab at Colgan first then upgraded to the Dash 8 on 11/18/2008.

These times have to be tt. She joined one year ago and flew 2244hrs?
Very, very sad for everyone involved.

M

 

[Richard Gozinya]

Very sad day for the Buffalo community. Just last week they laid to rest 4 aviators from the 6/6 Cavalry at Fr. Drum who parished in Iraq. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.

 

[SLUF4]

I'd agree that a tail icing/stall seems like a good theory at this point, but of course it could be anything. Flight control failure? I was reading an article the other day that NTSB wants us to now cycle the boots immediately instead of waiting for ice to build up. Not sure what the dash POH says about this. Does the Dash have an automatic cycle feature? My prayers are with them.

 

[captboy2001]

just want to say how sorry i am to here about this flight....i pray for all on board and the colgan crews and families....i was with colgan for 7yrs and had a great time and experience......

 

[cale42]

I'd agree that a tail icing/stall seems like a good theory at this point, but of course it could be anything. Flight control failure? I was reading an article the other day that NTSB wants us to now cycle the boots immediately instead of waiting for ice to build up. Not sure what the dash POH says about this. Does the Dash have an automatic cycle feature? My prayers are with them.

Dash has an auto cycle.. fast and slow, both are 36 seconds inflation cycles(6 sets of boots x 6 seconds) followed by either 24 seconds off or 144 seconds off depending on the speed setting. Boots on at first sign of ice detection is manufacturer rec.

cale

 

[BoDEAN]

ATC Tape if anyone is interested. Happens around the 17 min mark.

28 min mark, Delta asks if the controller found Colgan. He is informed that Q400 went down over Clump.

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kbuf/KBUF-Feb-13-2009-0300Z.mp3

Edit: Looks like the link has already been posted. Sorry.

 

[captboy2001]

flew with marvin in IAH....Great guy and pilot...........

 

[Northern Lights]

What a horrible way to start the day -- I felt sick when I first heard of it!

I wish that the talking heads on the news would just shut up already!

Geraldo was on a couple of hours ago praising Sulley and wondering how the crews experience level affected this crash.

After seeing the Saab picture and hearing the comment about 5000 gallons of fuel, I've decided to turn it off for a while.

 

[Kingzrt]

Just now CNN says the FAA requires we disengage the autopilot every 5 minutes in icing. I love when I learn new regs via the news...

Can't believe we got to page 10 before someone mentioned fatigue.. I'm guessing we are going to learn there was a nice 10+ hour high leg day, as zasca said.. awareness goes to hell..

Crew was on duty at 13:30 flew 2 legs prior to ewr to buf.This gives crew about 9 hrs on duty

 

[joe_pilot]

On CNN, a Resident and professional photographer who lives in the area where 3407 went down says everyone in the area "always knew" it was "just a matter of time" before there was a crash. He describes his fears: "When darkness appears, the planes have to fly lower and lower, not the noise, but the lights".

Huh?

Gotta turn off the TV

 

[WSurf]

flew with marvin in IAH....Great guy and pilot...........

Sorry for the loss Captboy.