Colgan 3407 Down in Buffalo

[johnsonrod]

RIP. Terrible news.

John Roberts on CNN sounds reasonably knowledgeable about aviation - he must be a private pilot. Not everything he says is correct but he does show a lot of enthusiasm and interest. Where's Miles O'Brien?????

 

[viking737]

Is the ATC tape out already?

 

[ultrarunner]

They just announced there may have been another pilot jumpseating on board. Godspeed to all, prayers to all the families involved.

That is correct. Media released crew names this morning:

- Captain Marvin Renslow joined Colgan on September 9, 2005. Captain Renslow had flown 3,379 hours with Colgan Air.
- First Officer Rebecca Shaw joined Colgan on January 16, 2008. Ms. Shaw had flown 2,244 hours with Colgan Air.
- Flight Attendant Matilda Quintero joined Colgan on May 28, 2008.
- Flight Attendant Donna Prisco joined Colgan on May 28, 2008.
- Captain Joseph Zuffoletto, an off-duty crewmember aboard flight 3407, joined Colgan on September 19, 2005.

 

[WSurf]

I am talking about two to three write up's a trip in the winter. If you heard DING on desent 98% of the time it was a DEICE PRESSUE caution.

We get this caution light all the time in Decent in the Dash 8 300 when the bleeds go from LP to HP on a flight idle decent. Boots are still effective so no problem existed in the Dash 8/300 series. If you want the caution light to go out, just have to add alittle power.

 

[Kingzrt]

First god bless the passengers and their families onboard flt 3407. God bless the crew whom i have flown with and should have flown with on this trip.
This is a terrible tragedy.
I have flown this Q400 for the last year and something really bad must have happened to bring this amazing aircraft down. It could not have been just ice the 400 can carry alot of ice.

 

[WSurf]

That is correct. Media released crew names this morning:

- Captain Marvin Renslow joined Colgan on September 9, 2005. Captain Renslow had flown 3,379 hours with Colgan Air.
- First Officer Rebecca Shaw joined Colgan on January 16, 2008. Ms. Shaw had flown 2,244 hours with Colgan Air.
- Flight Attendant Matilda Quintero joined Colgan on May 28, 2008.
- Flight Attendant Donna Prisco joined Colgan on May 28, 2008.
- Captain Joseph Zuffoletto, an off-duty crewmember aboard flight 3407, joined Colgan on September 19, 2005.

Sounds like a pretty experienced crew.

God Rest there souls.

 

[flyboyike]

Icing played a role in the crash? opinions?

Just looked at the metar for buf....blowing snow and mist.....

KBUF 130505Z COR 25012KT 4SM -SN BR BKN008 BKN015 OVC021 01/00 A2983 RMK AO2 CIG 005V011 P0000

Pretty typical for BUF in the winter.

 

[WSurf]

Is the ATC tape out already?

Go to first post.

 

[ultrarunner]

Sounds like a pretty experienced crew.

God Rest there souls.

Looks like the two captains on board likely went through training together, based on their DOH.

 

[Abernathy]

- First Officer Rebecca Shaw joined Colgan on January 16, 2008. Ms. Shaw had flown 2,244 hours with Colgan Air.

That doesn't sound right.

 

[Erlanger]

Very true. Plus the circumstances point to it. The sudden crash, everything normal it seems, nose down attitude for crash, etc.

And with the autopilot on, it would'nt be easy to notice an oncoming stall either.

 

[Broke in CVG]

That doesn't sound right.

It's not. I have also seen reported that she had 244 hrs with Colgan. As well both CA listed 3 years and 3300+ hrs with Colgan, which is also not possible per FARs.

Per CNN: "The visibility at BUF at the time was 3mph." That seems way too slow to land, shouldn't it be closer to the speed of light?

You guys know the media. After all, why do we have the NTSB, when we have CNN?

 

[Papa Woody]

Non-pilot witnesses are worthless. They don't know what "normal" is and what isn't. Most are just making stuff up to be on tv.

On eyewitness said "the pilot was leaning out the window yelling at people to get out of the way."

 

[Broke in CVG]

On eyewitness said "the pilot was leaning out the window yelling at people to get out of the way."

That's what I would be doing....

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Those are probably total times in which case I'd say it wasn't an experienced crew by any stretch.