Colgan 3407 Down in Buffalo

[Oakum_Boy]

I was reading an article the other day that NTSB wants us to now cycle the boots immediately instead of waiting for ice to build up.

No offense but that's been the new theory for about a decade. When I was flying a Brasilia that was the procedure. Ice bridging is largely a myth.

 

[lear24]

On CNN, a Resident and professional photographer who lives in the area where 3407 went down says everyone in the area "always knew" it was "just a matter of time" before there was a crash. He describes his fears: "When darkness appears, the planes have to fly lower and lower, not the noise, but the lights".

Huh?

Gotta turn off the TV

That guy actually sounded pretty good compared to the yahoo they had on a little before him. He was imitating the noises of the engines failing, then said he had no idea it was such a big airplane, he just figured it was "some meathead crashing his Cessna".

My thoughts are with all the families and friends.

 

[Max Powers]

No offense but that's been the new theory for about a decade. When I was flying a Brasilia that was the procedure. Ice bridging is largely a myth.

Yes, always cycle the boots, lce bridging is an old myth that took years to do away with. Plus by cycling you get some hot bleed air through the rubber boots, which also assists in removing ice. The props are a different manner however, depending on type of aircraft.

 

[IBNAV8R]

My thoughts and prayers go out to the crew, passengers and their families.

Some on here have decried any speculation but I think after any accident, we all need to sit back and reflect on the possibilities of what went wrong - not to place any blame but to think about how we might prevent a recurrence.

I'm by no means an old-timer, but I've been around long enough to realize this could happen to any one of us. Fly safe out there.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

My thoughts and prayers go out to the crew, passengers and their families.

Some on here have decried any speculation but I think after any accident, we all need to sit back and reflect on the possibilities of what went wrong - not to place any blame but to think about how we might prevent a recurrence.

I'm by no means an old-timer, but I've been around long enough to realize this could happen to any one of us. Fly safe out there.

Well put IBNAV8R. Speculation on our part as porfessional pilots is an entirely different matter than speculation on the part of so-called media experts.

 

[Whale Rider]

Our hearts go out to the families of all involved.

 

[G-force]

Ignorant Buffoons!!!!!!

CNN just said that the conditions were perfect for carb ice, so that may have been the problem. Great reporting.

CNN and most media reporters are ignorant-buffoons when it comes to aviation!!!!
Condolences to the families of crew/pax.
The SPOTLIGHT will now be on Bombardier/Dehavilland,Colgan Air,which incidentally is not well liked by the crews that fly there,according to their posts on this forum,and the FAA/DOT/NTSB!!
The accident report will probably take a year on this!!

 

[GSXR600]

flew with marvin in IAH....Great guy and pilot...........

Knew Marvin as well, he was a friend of mine.....terrible lost, really really sucks, dont know what happaned on this one, he was a great pilot.
Joined Colgan with very low time then worked his way tru..former Gulfstrem Airlines pilot. I also know the other guy Joe Zuffalatto (jumpsitter), aslo a good pilot, former freight dog, this guy was known in class for been a sharp guy in systems. If you had a question about systems, he will know the answer.

God be with them!!

 

[EdAtTheAirport]

My condolences to all the Colgan people, and to those of you who knew/flew with these crewmembers.

 

[HoserASA]

CNN just said that the conditions were perfect for carb ice, so that may have been the problem. Great reporting.

I saw that too, but must have heard it differently than you. They talked about carb ice in general, but emphasized that Colgan was NOT a carbuerated (sp)plane. The graph for where icing could be/was I thought was excellent. Also CNN had John Wiley, very experienced USAF/airline pilot answering questions from the news anchor. So CNN's reporting wasn't that bad.

Hoser
Roll Tide!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Flying West​

I hope there's a place, way up in the sky
Where pilots can go when they have to die.
A place where a guy could buy a cold beer
For a friend and a comrade whose memory is dear.
A place where no doctor or lawyer could tread,
Nor a management-type would e'ler be caught dead!
Just a quaint little place, kind of dark, full of smoke,
Where they like to sing loud, and love a good joke.
The kind of a place that a lady could go
And feel safe and secure by the men she would know.​

There must be a place where old pilots go,
When their wings become heavy, when their airspeed gets low,​

Where the whiskey is old, and the women are young,
And songs about flying and dying are sung.
Where you'd see all the fellows who'd 'flown west' before,​

And they'd call out your name, as you came through the door,​

Who would buy you a drink, if your thirst should be bad,

And relate to the others, "He was quite a good lad!"
And there, through the mist, you'd spot an old guy
You had not seen in years, though he'd taught you to fly.​

He'd nod his old head, and grin ear to ear

And say, "Welcome, my Son, I'm proud that you're here!​

For this is the place where true flyers come
When the battles are over, and the wars have been won.​

They've come here at last, to be safe and alone,
From the government clerk, and the management clone;​

Politicians and lawyers, the Feds, and the noise,

Where all hours are happy, and these good ol' boys
Can relax with a cool one, and a well deserved rest!
This is Heaven, my Son. You've passed your last test!"​

— Captain Michael J. Larkin, TWA (Ret.), 'Air Line Pilot' magazine, February 1995.​

 

[Abernathy]

I'm waiting for the first news commentator to say something to the effect of "I wonder how much differently this would have turned out if we had a pilot like Captain Sully at the controls."

 

[Northern Lights]

I'm waiting for the first news commentator to say something to the effect of "I wonder how much differently this would have turned out if we had a pilot like Captain Sully at the controls."

Already happened on FOX with Geraldo this morning.

 

[Daytonaflyer]

Is the tail anti-iced automatically in the Q400 too or just the wings? In my airplane, the tail is seperate and you must remember to push the button before selecting landing flaps...easy to forget if busy.

 

[LJ45]

Folks keep talking about the engines, well...the engines sound funny in a spin, so we will not know until the CVR and FDR are looked at.

RIP

 

[climbhappy]

My thoughts and prayers to colgan from a former colganite 02/03

 

[Formula 1]

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families. God Bless the crew and the passengers.

 

[flygirl_1313]

God speed to the crew members and passengers on board. My thoughts and prayers go out to all their family, friends and loved ones...

 

[Captzaahlie]

God Bless all the Flight Crew, PAX and any others that are suffering in this great loss.... Be careful out there everyone!

 

[SLUF4]

no offense taken..just reporting what I read in the article. Haven't flown anything with boots in a long time.