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CNN is AGAIN talking about carburetor ice in fuel injectors!

WTF?!?

Ok, ok. I'm gonna switch to decaf...
 
Specualtion or not...there will be many of our friends and coworkers flying this very same A/C and similar versions in similar conditions.

Even if our theories are proven wrong in this case, there is nothing wrong with planting seeds into the back of our collective minds to keep us safe in the future.

God Bless all involved and affected by this.
 
I am on my *pilot* husbands login, but I would just like to say right now, as a pilot wife, my heart goes out to the wives/husbands of the crew. It has always been a fear, and hopefully never a reality of mine to not have my husband come home from a trip. Please, please men and women, fly carefully today and always. May God be with the families of all on board, and with all of you, as each of you fly everyday.
 
PERSON said:
I am on my *pilot* husbands login, but I would just like to say right now, as a pilot wife, my heart goes out to the wives/husbands of the crew. It has always been a fear, and hopefully never a reality of mine to not have my husband come home from a trip. Please, please men and women, fly carefully today and always. May God be with the families of all on board, and with all of you, as each of you fly everyday.
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Thank you PERSON's wife...I am in the middle of a trip and spent some time on the phone this morning with my wife as well. She gets very upset when she hears of these events, as they obviously hit very close to home for those of us in aviation.
 
My thoughts and prayers are with the families of those involved.
 
Very sad

A very crappy way to start a 3 day trip.

I can not imagine the pain that family members are feeling now. Very sad

God bless to you all

Alright now I have to clear my head and pack the Tuna Salad lunch kits for the trip.

Take Care all
 
You have to set the bar pretty low when watching news coverage after an accident (or just don't watch).

Two gems I saw and heard on Fox News:

1.) The A/C was carrying 5000 gallons of fuel.
2.) They showed a picture of a Saab 340 (this was about 11 hours after the accident). At least it had the correct paint scheme!

My two extremely speculative theories (both already brought up):

1.) Tail plane icing.
2.) Beta in-flight.
 
www. said:
- Captain Marvin Renslow joined Colgan on September 9, 2005. Captain Renslow had flown 3,379 hours with Colgan Air.
- First Officer Rebecca Shaw joined Colgan on January 16, 2008. Ms. Shaw had flown 2,244 hours with Colgan Air.


Most junior Q400 capt hired: Sept 2005

It appears that he flew the Saab at Colgan first then upgraded to the Dash 8 on 11/18/2008.
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These times have to be tt. She joined one year ago and flew 2244hrs?
Very, very sad for everyone involved.

M
 
Very sad day for the Buffalo community. Just last week they laid to rest 4 aviators from the 6/6 Cavalry at Fr. Drum who parished in Iraq. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.
 
I'd agree that a tail icing/stall seems like a good theory at this point, but of course it could be anything. Flight control failure? I was reading an article the other day that NTSB wants us to now cycle the boots immediately instead of waiting for ice to build up. Not sure what the dash POH says about this. Does the Dash have an automatic cycle feature? My prayers are with them.
 
just want to say how sorry i am to here about this flight....i pray for all on board and the colgan crews and families....i was with colgan for 7yrs and had a great time and experience......
 
SLUF4 said:
I'd agree that a tail icing/stall seems like a good theory at this point, but of course it could be anything. Flight control failure? I was reading an article the other day that NTSB wants us to now cycle the boots immediately instead of waiting for ice to build up. Not sure what the dash POH says about this. Does the Dash have an automatic cycle feature? My prayers are with them.
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Dash has an auto cycle.. fast and slow, both are 36 seconds inflation cycles(6 sets of boots x 6 seconds) followed by either 24 seconds off or 144 seconds off depending on the speed setting. Boots on at first sign of ice detection is manufacturer rec.

cale
 
What a horrible way to start the day -- I felt sick when I first heard of it!

I wish that the talking heads on the news would just shut up already!

Geraldo was on a couple of hours ago praising Sulley and wondering how the crews experience level affected this crash.

After seeing the Saab picture and hearing the comment about 5000 gallons of fuel, I've decided to turn it off for a while.
 
cale42 said:
Just now CNN says the FAA requires we disengage the autopilot every 5 minutes in icing. I love when I learn new regs via the news...

Can't believe we got to page 10 before someone mentioned fatigue.. I'm guessing we are going to learn there was a nice 10+ hour high leg day, as zasca said.. awareness goes to hell..
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Crew was on duty at 13:30 flew 2 legs prior to ewr to buf.This gives crew about 9 hrs on duty
 
On CNN, a Resident and professional photographer who lives in the area where 3407 went down says everyone in the area "always knew" it was "just a matter of time" before there was a crash. He describes his fears: "When darkness appears, the planes have to fly lower and lower, not the noise, but the lights".

Huh?

Gotta turn off the TV
 

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