Colgan 3407 Down in Buffalo

[Icywings]

I hate stupid people on CNN that has NO idea what they are talking about!

 

[funnyman12]

hmmmmm.....sounds like a possible tail stall. Sounds like the crew did the right thing in a recovery attempt. NTSB said they retracted the flaps and gear. I guess if it was a tail stall you want to bring the power to idle also. A very scary situation that would be very difficult to recover from.

 

[Medeco]

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Already stated above.


Medeco

 

[Canadair RJ]

I am not normally the speculative type and I won't start here, but I noticed something interesting on the one close up photo of the tail: What is all that white stuff on the leading edge of the horizontal stab? I'm no expert and maybe it's the light, or something is damaged/melted, or maybe it is ice.

I noticed that as well. But, if you look at pictures of the same airplane before the crash, it was there. I assume it's from ice build up over the year.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6478793&nseq=0

RIP to the pax and crew.

 

[contrail67]

Or continued flight into known icing. I think this will be pinned on the crew barring any mechanical failures. How long until the first lawsuit?

Since when can you not fly into known icing?

You cannot continue into known severe icing.

 

[Erlanger]

Investigators already cite heavy ice as possible reason.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492366,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29173163/

 

[DH2WN]

All I gotta say is remember Atlantic Coast Airlines circa 1995 when they first got their J-41's. Remember the CMH accident? Pilots new to automation basically reduced power to near idle to configure and descend on the glide slope and forgot to add it back in. Airplane stalled and fell to the ground before they could recover.

It was that accident that started the lunacy of the CRJ training department. 80%+ failure rate. Went on for many years until flyi started and they finally canned the idiot instructors.

 

[WSurf]

hmmmmm.....sounds like a possible tail stall. Sounds like the crew did the right thing in a recovery attempt. NTSB said they retracted the flaps and gear. I guess if it was a tail stall you want to bring the power to idle also. A very scary situation that would be very difficult to recover from.

Yea, I think you can either maintain power or reduce it during a tail stall. I do believe its the opposite from a wing stall recovery.

But if this did happen at flap extension then you can pretty much say its a tailstall.

Damn, this would have been a tuff one to get out of for anyone at that altitude.

I can tell you this, I fly the dash and have alway s maybe felt too comfortable flying in moderate ice. If anything good comes from this for me, it is to have more awarness and respect for icing.

 

[inline]

I was just informed by cnn that DHC-8 has balloons on the wings. Also that turbo props are not rated for icing...WTF?

Quit watching CNN! That network is pathetic. Only MSNBC is worse. Fox news has much better reporting. They've covered this tragedy with a least some intelligent reporting.

 

[Erlanger]

Yea, I think you can either maintain power or reduce it during a tail stall. I do believe its the opposite from a wing stall recover.

But if this did happen at flap extension then you can pretty much say its a tailstall.

Damn, this would have been a tuff one to get out of for anyone at that attitude.

"Severe pitch and roll [began] within seconds" of the flaps being deployed," said Steven Chealander, spokesman for the National Transportation Safety Board. Chealander said that means the plane's nose bucked up and down while the wings dipped and rose violently.