Coke

[Gulfstream 200]

busted homeboy?

right, and your wealth of intelligence is very noticable.

so i need to tell to you the ceilings and mmo's for all aircraft i have flown in the past to verify my credibility ? your pathetic.

your just another youngin who tries to make himself fell better by posting all of the time on the internet and putting others down. i don't sit here and bash others on their experience or what they claimed to have done in their history...

REMEMBER you are NOT your post count (and it is very apparent for you).. and in aviation you are not your flight time. especially flying corporate, it all depends on who you know. i know a kid with 800 hours that landed a full time - right seat position in a global because of his internship and who he met. To this day, he is currently training others who are twice his age, and he has half of the flight time they do.

From my own experience, people get where they want to by treating others with respect and working hard. With attitudes like some of you here, you will never attain your goals because of your higher than thou attitudes.

yup. E145. let me guess....Continental Express.


Please, drop the companys name who has a "kid" in the Global with 800hrs. Please do....

P.S. -
Teaching as an intern at FSI does not count toolboy, I have sat through the sim sessions with these a$$boys....straight from Vero with 2 stripes in a Piper to a new bizjet....oh boy!

 

[bangdurmominaG4]

the sad part is that you feel threatened by the low timers. you have sadly realized you will never be what you want to be.

instead of reaching your goals, you will just waste away complaining about anyone who has a better chance or opportunity at life than you.

encourage those who are new in the aviation field. its a long road for those who want to get anywhere. please quit being so negative, your ignorance is almost intolerable.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

the sad part is that you feel threatened by the low timers. you have sadly realized you will never be what you want to be.

instead of reaching your goals, you will just waste away complaining about anyone who has a better chance or opportunity at life than you.

encourage those who are new in the aviation field. its a long road for those who want to get anywhere. please quit being so negative, your ignorance is almost intolerable.

Pretty much what I thought....

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[400A]

Excuse Me!!!!

the sad part is that you feel threatened by the low timers. you have sadly realized you will never be what you want to be.

instead of reaching your goals, you will just waste away complaining about anyone who has a better chance or opportunity at life than you.

encourage those who are new in the aviation field. its a long road for those who want to get anywhere. please quit being so negative, your ignorance is almost intolerable.

Look dip wad, it was the low timers that started the whining and crying!!!! Your ignorance is evident and intolerable. I too believe your quals are made up, because you seem to have flown every piece of heavy iron out there.

Either that or you are such an A$$ that you have to change jobs all the time cause only the 700 hour guys dont recognize your complete incompetance and are willing to fly with you.

YOU want the 700 hour guy in YOUR right seat because it is in fact YOU who are threatened.. Anyone with more than 700 hours would take your job!!!!! Those of us who are comfortable with our skills want someone just as good in the other seat.

Take you rotten attitude and offensive (not to mention immature) screen name and get the heck off this thread!!!!!

 

[bangdurmominaG4]

you get farther with kindness

edit: arguing on the internet and cutting others down gets you really far in life doesn't it ?

 

[philmckracken69]

your not going to cry are you?


OWNED!!!!

Hey....look us up in a few months after you get typed in an A380.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

you get farther with kindness

edit: arguing on the internet and cutting others down gets you really far in life doesn't it ?

NO....but having an arguement on the internet....AND LOSING....is twice as bad..

nice new profile, dip$hit.

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[Gearmunky]

Look dip wad, it was the low timers that started the whining and crying!!!! Your ignorance is evident and intolerable. I too believe your quals are made up, because you seem to have flown every piece of heavy iron out there.

Either that or you are such an A$$ that you have to change jobs all the time cause only the 700 hour guys dont recognize your complete incompetance and are willing to fly with you.

YOU want the 700 hour guy in YOUR right seat because it is in fact YOU who are threatened.. Anyone with more than 700 hours would take your job!!!!! Those of us who are comfortable with our skills want someone just as good in the other seat.

We start the whining and crying?? YOU and your 5,000 hour club started your bellyaching of how absurd it was to put a low time guy in the right seat. All I was saying is it's pretty unprofessional especially, ESPECIALLY, coming from a chief pilot, to judge someone on the numbers and not the skill. It's real nice to know that if someone wants to get hired with you they gotta have 5000 hours to fly a Beechjet (no detriment or offense to the skill of Beechjet pilots at all, whatsoever.)

I believe that you should give back to something that you take out of. Remember you wouldn't be where you are if your coffee friends didn't give you a break in a King Air. If you've been lucky to be where you are and your such a great "god of the air" put someone who needs a chance in the right seat, since your attitude suggests that you could fly the thing solo anyway.

Now if you will excuse me, I'm leaving on a trip in our G-IV and I'm taking my 784 hour logbook with me.

Nice talking to you, Fly Safe!!!

 

[GVFlyer]

i have been flying the global now for almost 2 years.

the mmo is about .88 .. max alt. is 51,000..

your people are so friendly with your message board

Mmo on the Global Express is M 0.89

Normal Cruise is M 0.85

High Speed Cruise is M 0.87

Might be handy numbers to have in mind the next time you're out flying the Global.

Regards,

GV

 

[Dep676]

Hey GV. Not to start the great debate here again about the Global and the GV. What does the Gv do for numbers? How much more range does it have than the Global? I thought they were both close in numbers. I don't want all the bashers to pipe in either. I just want to know the difference between the two aircraft.

 

[400A]

Done it many times

We start the whining and crying?? YOU and your 10,000 hour club started your bellyaching of how absurd it was to put a low time guy in the right seat. All I was saying is it's pretty unprofessional especially, ESPECIALLY, coming from a chief pilot, to judge someone on the numbers and not the skill. It's real nice to know that if someone wants to get hired with you they gotta have 5000 hours to fly a Beechjet (no detriment or offense to the skill of Beechjet pilots at all, whatsoever.)

I believe that you should give back to something that you take out of. Remember you wouldn't be where you are if your coffee friends didn't give you a break in a King Air. If you've been lucky to be where you are and your such a great "god of the air" put someone who needs a chance in the right seat, since your attitude suggests that you could fly the thing solo anyway.

Now if you will excuse me, I'm leaving on a trip in our G-IV and I'm taking my 784 hour logbook with me.

Nice talking to you, Fly Safe!!!

I have done that pal. If fact my current number 1 Captain was hired around 1700 hours. We bought him his ATP and Typed him, but he started out in the King Air. I have given many low time guys their first turbine job. But not 700 hours in a Gulfstream.

Also never said anything about needing 5000 hours to fly a Beechjet. Again you put words in peoples mouths.

And yes as Chief Pilot I do have to set a minimum for pilot applicants. Its all about safety. I am responsible for the safety of our operation. That does not include doing instruction while my boss or charter customers are in the back. I need a guy experienced enough to recognise if any captain has made a mistake, and correct it.

As for your claim of me thinking I am some sort of God of the Air, Those who know me would tell you the exact opposite. All flights are conducted with the most stringent crew coordination. Any pilot can stop any mission at any time. not just the Captain. We also seat swap every other leg. No radio opperators in my shop. When I had King Airs in my operation we even flew them 2 pilot 90 percent of the time.

By the way, I would actually consider a 800-1000 hour guy in the beechjet, if I knew him and his ability level, its not hard to fly. But never in a G4.

As far as your 784 hour log book, I cant help but notice you have not passed a type ride. That alone tells me something.... Tells me you are more than likely serving the drinks in the back...or you cant pass a type ride... which would prove our point. Cheers

 

[Otter]

a line has to be drawn eventually

Gearmunky,



I think the issue that most flight department managers or CP's face is between their own comfort level, insurance, and safety, you have to eventually draw a line. That line, without some form of amplifying information, must serve as your first evaluation, or shred out point for resumes. One could never get through the interview process with resumes if the assumption is made that every resume, regardless of hours is a sterling example of professional aviation.



You look to develop a starting point that affords the hiring manger(s) the best opportunity to place the best possible sample of applicants in the office/hangar for interviews and hopefully hiring.



Again, I think eventually you will have to look to the middle ground if the argument can end. You may indeed be that example of aviation excellence, however, in a vacuum one can not begin to believe that most low time drivers posses the same acumen that 3000, 4000, 5000 hour pilots have available to them.



I believe each of us is fiercely protective of the experience we have developed, as the experience we posses, and the ratings in our pockets are the only commodity we carry in this industry. I appreciate and understand the type "A" confidence that most everyone in our trade exudes. However, that same confidence can also be the attribute that degrades the competence, proficiency, and safety in the cockpit if misapplied. I digress.



Having digressed and rambled, I believe I will highjack this and mention that I am headed to Brazilian BBQ, a glass of wine, and will look forward to reading more after I get back. – nothing like a BBQ reference, whatever happened to those-



Otter

 

[400A]

Again,,, Well Said Otter

Speaking of BBQ, Its about time for another trip to Miklebobs (APF) YUMMM

 

[seawings]

High vs. Low Time:

It has been my experience that time in type (aircraft, environmental, geographical) and other factors directly related to the job are more important than "log book" time. Having said that, "log book" time and ratings are a means to start the process.

I once interviewed a young pilot for a position and he, very nice fellow that he was, had nowhere near what we needed. However, he was so eager to please and willing to listen that I spelled out what he would need for our position, and asked him to call me periodically with his progress…never thinking I would ever hear from him again.

Time passed and he kept calling, adding one by one the items I said he would need. To make a long story short we eventually hired him and he has made a great pilot.

So what am I saying...sell your self with more than your "time" and "ratings", know the job your after...what they do, where they do it, and as much information as you can find about the company. In this day in time you can build quite a portfolio of information before you get your first interview.

Good luck to all.

 

[FracCapt]

Having digressed and rambled, I believe I will highjack this and mention that I am headed to Brazilian BBQ, a glass of wine, and will look forward to reading more after I get back. – nothing like a BBQ reference, whatever happened to those-

YOU SUCK! I don't have any decent Brazilian BBQ places near me! I have to get my Brazilian fix(both BBQ and women) while on the road!

 

[GVFlyer]

Hey GV. Not to start the great debate here again about the Global and the GV. What does the Gv do for numbers? How much more range does it have than the Global? I thought they were both close in numbers. I don't want all the bashers to pipe in either. I just want to know the difference between the two aircraft.

The short answer is that the G550 will fly 250 nm farther than the Global Express XRS while using 3,650 lbs less fuel or 615 nm farther than the straight Global Express using 2,000 lbs less fuel.

The following data are based on 8 passengers, ISA, NBAA Reserves.

G550

LRC: M 0.80 - 6,750 nm.

Intermediate Cruise: M 0.83 - 6,500 nm.

Normal Cruise: M 0.85 - 6,000 nm.

High Speed Cruise: M 0.87 - 5,000 nm.

Thrust: BR 710C4-11 - 15,385 lbs.

T/O, MGTOW: 5,910

Ldg. Dist, MLW: 2,770

Max Ramp Wt: 91,400 lbs.

Max Fuel: 41,300 lbs. (all in the wings)

Max Payload: 6,200 lbs.

Max Payload Full Fuel: 1,800 lbs.

Cabin: 42'11" X 6'2" X 7'4"

Length: 96 ft.

Wingspan: 93'6"

Wing Area: 1,136.5 sq. ft.

Wing Loading: 80 lbs. sq. ft.

Baggage Area: 226 cu. ft.

Cabin Alt: 5,960 at 51,000 ft.

Honeywell Planeview Avionics with 14.1 in LCD Displays

DOC: $1912 hr.


Global Express XRS*

LRC: M 0.82 - 6,500 nm.

Norm. Cruise: M 0.85 - 6,150nm.

High Speed Cruise: m 0.87 - 5,450 nm

Thrust: BR 710A - 14,750 lbs.

T/O, MGTOW: 6,190 ft.

Ldg. MLW: 2,670 ft.

Max Ramp Wt: 98,250

Max Fuel: 44,975 lbs.

Max Payload: 4,500 lbs.

Max Payload full fuel: 1,775 lbs.

Cabin: 44'3" X 6'3" X 8'2"

Length: 99.42 ft.

Wingspan: 94 ft.

Wing Area: 1022 sq. ft.

Wing Loading: 96.135 lbs sq. ft.

Baggage Area: 200 cu. ft.

Cabin Alt: 4,500 ft. at 45,000 ft.

Honeywell Primus 2000xp avionics with 8" displays

DOC: $2032 hr.

* Manufacturer's data, aircraft not yet certified.


Global Express **

LRC: M 0.80 - 6,135 nm.

Norm. Cruise: M 0.85 - 5,870 nm.

Thrust: BR 710A - 14,750 lbs.

T/O, MGTOW: 5,970 ft.

LDG, MLW: 2,700 ft.

Max Ramp Wt: 96,250 lbs.

Max Payload: 4,800 lbs.

Max Payload Full Fuel: 1,700 lbs.

Wing Loading: 94.18 lbs sq. ft.

Baggage Area 185 cu. ft.

Cabin Alt: 8,000 ft at 51,000 ft.

All other external and internal dimensions same as Global Express XRS.

DOC: $ 2,032 hr.

** Data from Conklin & DeDecker, Fall 2004.

GV







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[jetjockey1231]

400a - just curious - since when do you have to have the fms programmed to shoot an ILS to mins?

AA717DRIVER - get off the EEOC THING - it probably has benefitted you more than anyone else - if i was you, i would be concerned if AA is going to take any more of your money and benefits.....

 

[mobie]

Fms

400a - just curious - since when do you have to have the fms programmed to shoot an ILS to mins?

Might be nice to have the missed app. and holding in the FMS, you might not land when you get to mins. Just a few key strokes to sel. the app. and it is all there.

 

[400A]

read it again Jet Jock

400a - just curious - since when do you have to have the fms programmed to shoot an ILS to mins?

AA717DRIVER - get off the EEOC THING - it probably has benefitted you more than anyone else - if i was you, i would be concerned if AA is going to take any more of your money and benefits.....

Like Mobie said, Why would you not.

As I said in the post, You do not "HAVE" to, but why would you not. Like I said, Lets turn the TCAS and EGPWS off too.

 

[SCT]

Bottom line : If you are flying in the right seat of a G4, the chief pilot was more worried about saving money then having a profesional flight crew in the cockpit.....bottom line.

I know my boss and ceo would never put is family on board with a low time guy.

SCT