CoEx to keep the 69 erj's

[Flyer1015]

I'm glad to see no one losing their jobs...:beer:

Where exactly will XJT place these 69 jets?

What if it's at the expense of another airline, due to the RFP's out there?

There is still some chance of people losing jobs.

 

[generaltso]

I think this is good news for a lot of folks, and I am happy CoEx management has something up their sleeve. It will be interesting to see what they do and how well it works. I was suprised that they are keeping all 69, and that they came out with that fact so quickly.

It will also be interesting to see if CHQ finds some 145's to cover this. Can CAL afford to lose 25% of it's fifty seat feed?

 

[ratherbeflyen]

It will also be interesting to see if CHQ finds some 145's to cover this. Can CAL afford to lose 25% of it's fifty seat feed?

good point

 

[Flyin4Free]

Where exactly will XJT place these 69 jets?

What if it's at the expense of another airline, due to the RFP's out there?

There is still some chance of people losing jobs.

i'm glad someone finally said it! if xjt gains flying with another carrier, say nwa, they will be taking the flying from another airline, say xj who is already in shambles with the threat of everyone losing their jobs as it is. so...it is possible that xjt will, as so many of you have said, "seal" flying from someone else.

i'm glad you all are keeping the planes and your jobs....furloughed pilots are a gain for no one except management!!

furloughed from xj....

 

[Alchemy]

I seriously doubt we or any other existing regional will be flying for Northwest.

They seem bent on creating a new airline with everyone at 1st year on the payscales w/ 70 seaters to replace the DC9's. I don't see how Expressjet would fit into that plan. You can't replace Saabs with RJ's either....look at what CAL is doing in IAH....

 

[Flyer1015]

All I'm saying is that I hope the 69 jets are used for new flying. If it's replacement for another airline, then someone else gets screwed over, and the cycle repeats.

All the while management sits back and "enjoys" the show.

Alchemy, great avatar... made me laugh lots.:laugh:

 

[Popeye0537]

Well now that I'm not losing my job, I guess I'll give one point back to management. Now I can stop filling out the job applications I was doing when I heard the good news.

Just wondering, but why do you think you won't lose your job? Where do you think those 69 airframes are going to be put into immediate service...Not a flame or bash but really? 135...for who? You've got Net Jets/Express,etc. locked up with that segment stateside. I heard mabey Europe to compete over there, but are you willing to move overseas to fly for a regional? Not here. I hope you guys don't lose your jobs, but if you get another code share you will be inturn "stealing" another regionals flying as how its been put by most of you.

Welcome to the race to the bottom guys.

As stated before CHQ has parked aircraft with the loss of Delta flying, its going to be a slow transition over to CAL.

 

[Diesel]

Trust me unless you guys are flying for teams or something no NJ, FLOPS, CS, or Flex is going to touch a worn out erj. The owners aren't flying erj's for a reason.

69 planes to put on charter is a huge chore. Not to mention what happens when the pax show up a couple of hours late.

see you in ASE

 

[starcheck1]

I hope you guys don't lose your jobs, but if you get another code share you will be inturn "stealing" another regionals flying as how its been put by most of you.

Welcome to the race to the bottom guys.

.

At least it wouldn't be going to a lower bidder......like the current trend

 

[DrewBlows]

Aviation International News



Start-up looks for work for Continental Embraers​

By Ian Goold / February 2006​

Houston-based ExpressJet Holdings has taken a $700,000, 49-percent share in JetX Aviation, a new regional start-up that plans to operate as ExpressJet Europe and possibly use some of the Embraer ERJ 135/145s scheduled for release by Continental Airlines starting next January. Continental has said it will not require 69 of the 274 regional jets now flown by ExpressJet.​

JetX Aviation, many of whose principals were involved with former Irish regional carrier Jetmagic, plans to introduce capacity-purchase agreement (CPA) operations to Europe. CPA operations, which typically involve major carriers buying “lift” from lower-cost suppliers, are not well known on the Continent, where capacity is more often obtained through lease arrangements covering provision of aircraft, crew, maintenance and insurance.
JetX Aviation managing director Jochen Schnadt, former COO at Jetmagic, told AIN, “We are a regional [airline]; that’s what we’re good at and we have lots to offer. Europe has been ready [for CPA] ever since deregulation and [the advent of] pan-European airspace.”
The company believes it can adapt and evolve CPA operations starting next year. Asked how easy it would be to find a customer when he has no aircraft, flight crew or air operator’s license (AOC), Schnadt said JetX Aviation has access to aircraft at short notice because some Embraer jets now flying Continental Express services will become available and “ExpressJet has first call on them.”
Schnadt said that ExpressJet maintains good relations with lessor General Electric Commercial Aviation Services and that initially a high proportion of aircraft could be taken on operating leases. Alternatively, he said he would be happy to follow the Continental arrangement under which the CPA customer subleases the aircraft.
Equally, he sees no problem in obtaining flight crews, though there would not be the same flexibility to use U.S. pilots, since they would need European licenses, work permits and right of abode. Also, Jetmagic pilots could be available.
With regard to obtaining an AOC, Schnadt said there’s the possibility of acquiring an existing European airline to provide an operational platform. “We have identified a number and are talking to them,” he said.
​

 

[commuterguy]

I hear there is a point to point "branded" airline in the works. Little birdie visited our class today.

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

I hope you guys don't lose your jobs, but if you get another code share you will be inturn "stealing" another regionals flying as how its been put by most of you.

Welcome to the race to the bottom guys.

Are you serious? If we replace another regional's flying with our own, how would that be contributing to the "race to the bottom?" Wouldn't that demonstrate that it is possible to have the highest pay rates and work rules in the 50 seat market, and still be able to gain work without concessions and whoring ourselves out, as so many other regionals have done? I would think this would be a good trend for all of us.

 

[Superpilot92]

Some of you numbnuts that are trying to point out anything you can and spin it negetive need to relax. The chief pilots came in and talked to us today and said that the planes are being placed into service where all XJET employees will be working with them. Not just pilots but MX, MGMT, Agents, etc. The plans that are in place are to protect jobs as well as to make money. The difference between XJT and alot of other companies is that the Company tries to make sure that we work as a team and have respect for each other. Think about it, MGMT could have easily come to us and asked for pay cuts to better compete for the CAL flying. They never asked for 1 cent from us. We have a good company over here that the majority of people i would assume would agree that they are proud to be an XJETer. For this level of the career chain its a good place to work.

Also think about this, If our mgmt didnt already have some other flying already set up do you think they would have announced this already? We had till the end of Sept to disclose whether we were going to keep the planes or not. If we didnt have something lined up we would have dragged our feet till the last min. Somethings are already in place, i know our mgmt would takeon the planes yet with the hopes of landing some flying. JMHO

 

[propsarebest]

Not to rock the boat or anything, but what would happen if COEX managment decides to just park the airplanes? ya know, if we can't have them nobody will kinda thing.

 

[Superpilot92]

Not to rock the boat or anything, but what would happen if COEX managment decides to just park the airplanes? ya know, if we can't have them nobody will kinda thing.

Not gonna happen, we will fly them point to point before we park them. Whatever mgmt comes up with has a long time to try and make it work. The difference between this and Indy is that we have 75% of CALs feed with a gurenteed profit until the end of 2009 in which CAL can either take 25% again. these next few months are going to be interesting.

 

[Baronman]

Not to rock the boat or anything, but what would happen if COEX managment decides to just park the airplanes? ya know, if we can't have them nobody will kinda thing.

Parking the aircraft would be a spiteful yet totally wasteful thing to do. Remember, they're in the business of making money, not getting back at people. You think someone who's trying to make money would park 69 planes with a multi-million dollar bill to pay each month? Just to prove a point? Not happening.....

 

[Alchemy]

Yeah, I don't think anyone is ready to uncork the champagne yet. These planes could still be sent overseas or somewhere else where we won't be flying them.

I would expect maybe a dozen of them to be flown in an independent scheduled operation between the US and Mexico, maybe a few dozen sent overseas, a few dozen used in another codeshare, and a half a dozen or so used in an on-demand/frac type operation.

If we found a way to keep just half of the 69 operating here in the states that would probably be enough to avoid furloughing any pilots.

 

[Superpilot92]

Trust me unless you guys are flying for teams or something no NJ, FLOPS, CS, or Flex is going to touch a worn out erj. The owners aren't flying erj's for a reason.

69 planes to put on charter is a huge chore. Not to mention what happens when the pax show up a couple of hours late.

see you in ASE

I agree with old worn out erjs but the problem is that 44 of those aircraft are Brand new XRs some of which arent even a month old. We have a 135 cetificate already inplace that we bought into last year. www.wingaviation.com With buying wing we also have the ability to convert our aircraft to corporate cabin layouts.

ExpressJet Purchases Non-Controlling Interest in Wing Aviation
HOUSTON, Texas - June 20, 2005 – Wing Aviation announced today that ExpressJet Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: XJT) purchased a non-controlling interest in the company.

“The Wing Aviation team providesexcellent leadership and a developedprivate aviation business that is second to none. We intend to combine our economies of scale with Wing Aviation’s exceptional quality and service to maximize the benefits for both companies,” said Jim Ream, President and Chief Executive Officer of ExpressJet. “Through this partnership our goal is to become the lowest cost, highest quality provider of private aviation services.”
ExpressJet and Wing Aviation will provide aviation services ranging from high-quality commercial and private travel to exceptional airframe maintenance, avionics installations and aircraft painting.
“This agreement allows ExpressJet to establish a presence in private aviation, utilizing an established and respected brand, ” said Brian P. Wing, President of Wing Aviation. “ExpressJet recognizes the value of our employees and our ability to consistently and successfully deliver a quality product. Together, we can provide premium service and unparalleled reliability to our customers.”

On top of that we own our own mx shops and paint shops. The idea was that we could offer a large cabin aircraft with good range for a cheaper price because we have all of our own ops already in place to spread costs out over. I am curious what the range would be on the XR if it was taken down to 19 seats or so because we are doing IAH to BOI now with 50 PAX and full bags. This is only one option the company is looking at but who knows till it happens. The truth is today was the first step in the right direction for us as a company and over the next few months we are going to be finding out more.

 

[B727FA]

If we replace another regional's flying with our own, how would that be contributing to the "race to the bottom?" ...and still be able to gain work without concessions and whoring ourselves out...

You mean like CHQ? Good for the goose...

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

It's a great day to be a Jetlinker.