CO 737 off runway in DEN

[Caflying]

Only one more thing to say about this accident until we get a final investigation;

KUDOS to the crew for getting everyone out alive. Job well done, not matter what got you there.
Glad that no one died. A few broken bones are nothing compared to what it could be.

I just now wonder how many lawsuits have already been filed by passengers? Can CAL survive something like this?

 

[dsee8driver]

StrykerFL for avatar of the year.

I second!

 

[Skank]

Its looking more and more like a poorly executed abort. Stay safe out there and be a good wingman.

Thanks for the report from Denver. I hope you didn't get frostbite while examining the wreckage.

 

[SuperFLUF]

Its looking more and more like a poorly executed abort....

Idiot.

 

[nimtz]

Its looking more and more like a poorly executed abort. Stay safe out there and be a good wingman.

Fella even for a flame baiter this is a scum sucking low equal to the level of Bernie Madoff. It's pathetic enough you feel obligated to get a virtual rise out of people on the internet, but flaming a guy who is still in the hospital in serious condition!?! Here's my holiday wish for you: EAT SH!T AND DIE!!!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Update:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123001946569629719.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Federal investigators said late Monday that an unusual rattling sound can be heard on the cockpit recorder of a Continental Airlines flight shortly before it veered off a runway after an aborted takeoff Saturday, injuring more than three dozen people.

National Transportation Safety Board officials said the jet's pilots aborted takeoff at high speed in a bid to keep from hurtling off the side of a runway at Denver International Airport last Saturday. But the plane became uncontrollable anyway and within seconds slammed into a snowy ravine.

Lead NTSB investigator Bill English said the plane's data recorder revealed that the thrust-reversers on both of the plane's engines were activated, according to the Associated Press. The devices are normally deployed to stop an aircraft as it moves down a runway. One of the pilots also can be heard on the recorder calling for an aborted takeoff.
Robert Sumwalt, the NTSB member on site who is serving as spokesman for the federal and industry crash teams, told a press briefing late Monday that an interview with the plane's copilot revealed that the jet began drifting off the center of the strip as it reached about 103 m.p.h. Board officials estimate the aircraft reached a maximum speed of more than 135 m.p.h. before veering off the runway, sliding across a field and ending in the ravine with its left engine and main landing gear sheared off.

Investigators haven't yet interviewed the plane's captain, who was at the controls and remains hospitalized with serious back injuries and bone fractures. NTSB officials are still trying to determine what caused the unusual sound, and whether any engine or brake malfunctions may have contributed to the accident.

Mr. Sumwalt said the bumping and rattling sound was first heard 41 seconds after the plane started down the runway, according to the Associated Press. Four seconds later, one of the crew members called for the takeoff to be aborted. Mr. Sumwalt said investigators have found no problems with the plane's engines, tires or brakes, but aren't ruling anything out. Investigators found that the plane's flight control surfaces -- including flaps, slats and speed brakes -- were in proper position. And there was no indication of locked brakes.

 

[jonjuan]

"an unusual rattling sound can be heard on the cockpit recorder"

The CAs pacemaker acting up.

 

[SuperFLUF]

"an unusual rattling sound can be heard on the cockpit recorder"

The CAs pacemaker acting up.

Nice. Do you have the cojones (and lack of class) to travel to the hospital in Denver to say that to his and his family's face?


Dispite the rumor I saw earlier, he is not over 60. Not even close.

 

[slaquer5]

Fella even for a flame baiter this is a scum sucking low equal to the level of Bernie Madoff. It's pathetic enough you feel obligated to get a virtual rise out of people on the internet, but flaming a guy who is still in the hospital in serious condition!?! Here's my holiday wish for you: EAT SH!T AND DIE!!!

Could not have been said better.

 

[stupidpilot]

Is this a misprint or something?

How the FK are you supposed to takeoff with no thrust? WTF is this guy talking about. The whole "past" V1 thing only works when at least one engine is turning. Chief pilot too, huh? :laugh:

Bravo! Amish finally wrote something I totally agree with! (Sound trumpet fanfare).

 

[slaquer5]

Its looking more and more like a poorly executed abort. Stay safe out there and be a good wingman.

Please delete post, you are making me sick every time I read it .

 

[Donsa320]

Rudder hardover

Can anyone intelligently fill me in on the status of the 737 rudder uncommanded hard-over problem of a few years ago.

I have never really seen much on it after the increased minimum flap speeds were suggested back then.

Thanx,

 

[regionaltard]

Please delete post, you are making me sick every time I read it .

Honestly, trolls simply wouldn't exist without people who can actually be upset by things that they read on the interwebs.

Go here, make it look like this.

 

[Raskal]

Can anyone intelligently fill me in on the status of the 737 rudder uncommanded hard-over problem of a few years ago.

I have never really seen much on it after the increased minimum flap speeds were suggested back then.

Thanx,

Good question, I didn't even think about it. I don't have any knowledge on the rudder issue but I'd also be interested in hearing from someone who does.

 

[Andy Neill]

Good question, I didn't even think about it. I don't have any knowledge on the rudder issue but I'd also be interested in hearing from someone who does.

Here are some instances where the rudder problem is suspected:
http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/B-737Rudder.htm

 

[transpac]

Below is a comment made by one of you experts.
Moron. Morons. All of them. STFU.
Scary, if that imbecile really does teach students to fly. Another 20 years and I won't fly as a pax anymore.


http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=106332&catid=339
cheifpilot wrote:
Ok this is rare for me to comment but, to all the other Pilots out there. After V1 you continue!!!!!!!!!!!! hopefully you will get to V2 and then rotate. Stoping after passing V1 (the decision speed for all non pilots) is sure to end in a major accident. Yes I teach Pilots to fly and I would have my students ass, if they reject or attempt to reject take-off after V1. I dont care if the engine falls off, you still continue. Even if both powerplants fail you still attempt the take off and put it down somewhere you determine safe within the "captian" breifing prior to take off roll.
12/21/2008 10:24 AM PST on 9news.com

Anybody besides "cheifpilot" who rotates at V2? I suspect he hasn't a clue what V2 is about.

 

[navigatro]

I'm not sure why you guys get worked up about what some idiot posts on a TV news website. Chiefpilot might be my 96 year old grandma, for all I know.

The facts will be presented when the investigation is complete.

In the mean time, be grateful that no one was killed.

As far as the 737 rudder PCU, I believe that Boeing redesigned it, and it is no longer an issue. I'm not positive about this, though.

Merry Christmas!!!!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I'm not sure why you guys get worked up about what some idiot posts on a TV news website. Chiefpilot might be my 96 year old grandma, for all I know.

Here are the facts:

We're all losers with nothing better to do. :0

Didn't you know? ...pilots are know-it-all egomaniacs who think they're better than those who don't fly. It's the funniest sheet, I tell ya wut.

 

[Flyer1015]

"an unusual rattling sound can be heard on the cockpit recorder"

The CAs pacemaker acting up.

No, more like the FOs IPOD was acting up.

 

[Minimaniac]

rattling is a repetitive noise with a somewhat regular frequency. The most obvious sources (no big stretch of the imagination here) for a repetitive noise while on the ground are the landing gear/brakes system and the engine. Since both systems have revolving parts, any malfunction could easily lead to an audible rhythmic imbalance. Both systems also seem likely culprits given the loss of directional control. I would think blown tires or locked brakes (malfunctioning anti-skid) should leave very obvious physical evidence that would have been reported so far. Pieces of tire or skid marks that began while motion was in line with the runway centerline would have been easily noted and likely mentioned in early investigation statements.

I am not familiar with the 7373, but one other rattling item that could lead a pilot to abort a takeoff would be an unexpected activation of a stick shaker. Those of you who know the 737 stall protections can mor readily verify or deny the likelihood of this explanation...I have no idea what it would sound like. but, if it is possible, then it may be a sign that crazy winds were at play, which triggered the system on the ground and made directional control difficult. Or perhaps a spurious activation just plain caught the crew off-guard and led to an abort under difficult conditions. Any thoughts? No disrespect intended or implied...I am glad everyone made it out with their lives.