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Can you blame them for getting their carry-ons? No one..absolutely no one enforces seatbelt signs and no grabbing carry-ons before getting to the gate. They did what they always do. Unless people start getting it into the heads of these sheep they have to follow some rules this stuff will always happen in situations like this. Rules are for everyone else. Not them.
 
CNN said the plane "skidded off the runway."

Fox said "careened off the runway."

ABC said the plane "careered off the runway."

CBS said "veered off the runway."

NBC said "slid off the runway."

.....I wish they would get their stories straight!
 
crxpilot said:
From a CNN article:
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The plane skidded off the runway, its wheels disintegrating. It slammed into a ravine, its fuel tanks leaking, and caught fire. Luggage fell out of overhead bins that had begun to melt.
Passengers panicked and shoved and stepped over each other. One yelled, "The plane is going to explode!" said Gabriel Trejos, who was clutching his child and feared that the buckling seats would "squash" them both.
The couple fought their way into a line of people scrambling to get out of the back of the plane. Some were trying to get their luggage first.
"I just wanted to get out of there," Gabriel Trejos said."


If I had a person trying to get their carry ons in front of me they would have nothing but my footprints all over them. :angryfire
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Oh what a tough guy you are !
 
Kewl! Instructor dude has an in at the NTSB!

What a refreshing change around here to have great insights like that!
 
Papa Woody said:
CNN said the plane "skidded off the runway."

Fox said "careened off the runway."

ABC said the plane "careered off the runway."

CBS said "veered off the runway."

NBC said "slid off the runway."

.....I wish they would get their stories straight!
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do you know the difference of any of those words? I don't.

What they're saying is, the plane ended up off the runway.
 
fool737700 said:
Oh what a tough guy you are !
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I agree with crxpilot. If I was being held up and about to burn alive because someone wanted their carry on, there is no question I would throw them aside or step all over them to get to safety.

Risking the life of everyone behind you to get your ipod and Twilight paperback is not acceptable.
 
What a bunch of losers! Literally, Monday morning quarterbacking an accident. Get a life and try and learn something from the final NTSB Report.

Much of the problems we currently have in this industry are due to this type of mentality and the image it portrays to management. Try and act like professionals even if your faking it.
 
Contract said:
Literally, Monday morning quarterbacking an accident.
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Literally? How do you literally quarterback an accident?

Yes, we should act like no other pilots in the world and not discuss aviation news. :rolleyes:

People want to talk, learn, grieve, congratulate, discuss. It's part of being human, and in this age, we do it on the internet.

If people are claiming they know what happened, then they are wrong. But, that doesn't mean we can't talk about it until the NTSB comes out with its "Sunshine" report.
 
Only one more thing to say about this accident until we get a final investigation;

KUDOS to the crew for getting everyone out alive. Job well done, not matter what got you there.
Glad that no one died. A few broken bones are nothing compared to what it could be.

I just now wonder how many lawsuits have already been filed by passengers? Can CAL survive something like this?
 
instructordude said:
Its looking more and more like a poorly executed abort. Stay safe out there and be a good wingman.
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Fella even for a flame baiter this is a scum sucking low equal to the level of Bernie Madoff. It's pathetic enough you feel obligated to get a virtual rise out of people on the internet, but flaming a guy who is still in the hospital in serious condition!?! Here's my holiday wish for you: EAT SH!T AND DIE!!!
 
Update:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123001946569629719.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


Federal investigators said late Monday that an unusual rattling sound can be heard on the cockpit recorder of a Continental Airlines flight shortly before it veered off a runway after an aborted takeoff Saturday, injuring more than three dozen people.

National Transportation Safety Board officials said the jet's pilots aborted takeoff at high speed in a bid to keep from hurtling off the side of a runway at Denver International Airport last Saturday. But the plane became uncontrollable anyway and within seconds slammed into a snowy ravine.

Lead NTSB investigator Bill English said the plane's data recorder revealed that the thrust-reversers on both of the plane's engines were activated, according to the Associated Press. The devices are normally deployed to stop an aircraft as it moves down a runway. One of the pilots also can be heard on the recorder calling for an aborted takeoff.
Robert Sumwalt, the NTSB member on site who is serving as spokesman for the federal and industry crash teams, told a press briefing late Monday that an interview with the plane's copilot revealed that the jet began drifting off the center of the strip as it reached about 103 m.p.h. Board officials estimate the aircraft reached a maximum speed of more than 135 m.p.h. before veering off the runway, sliding across a field and ending in the ravine with its left engine and main landing gear sheared off.

Investigators haven't yet interviewed the plane's captain, who was at the controls and remains hospitalized with serious back injuries and bone fractures. NTSB officials are still trying to determine what caused the unusual sound, and whether any engine or brake malfunctions may have contributed to the accident.

Mr. Sumwalt said the bumping and rattling sound was first heard 41 seconds after the plane started down the runway, according to the Associated Press. Four seconds later, one of the crew members called for the takeoff to be aborted. Mr. Sumwalt said investigators have found no problems with the plane's engines, tires or brakes, but aren't ruling anything out. Investigators found that the plane's flight control surfaces -- including flaps, slats and speed brakes -- were in proper position. And there was no indication of locked brakes.
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"an unusual rattling sound can be heard on the cockpit recorder"

The CAs pacemaker acting up.
 
jonjuan said:
"an unusual rattling sound can be heard on the cockpit recorder"

The CAs pacemaker acting up.
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Nice. Do you have the cojones (and lack of class) to travel to the hospital in Denver to say that to his and his family's face? :mad:


Dispite the rumor I saw earlier, he is not over 60. Not even close.
 
nimtz said:
Fella even for a flame baiter this is a scum sucking low equal to the level of Bernie Madoff. It's pathetic enough you feel obligated to get a virtual rise out of people on the internet, but flaming a guy who is still in the hospital in serious condition!?! Here's my holiday wish for you: EAT SH!T AND DIE!!!
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Could not have been said better.
 
Amish RakeFight said:
Is this a misprint or something?

How the FK are you supposed to takeoff with no thrust? WTF is this guy talking about. The whole "past" V1 thing only works when at least one engine is turning. Chief pilot too, huh? :laugh:
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Bravo! Amish finally wrote something I totally agree with! (Sound trumpet fanfare).
 
Rudder hardover

Can anyone intelligently fill me in on the status of the 737 rudder uncommanded hard-over problem of a few years ago.

I have never really seen much on it after the increased minimum flap speeds were suggested back then.

Thanx,
 
slaquer5 said:
Please delete post, you are making me sick every time I read it .
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Honestly, trolls simply wouldn't exist without people who can actually be upset by things that they read on the interwebs.

Go here, make it look like this.
 
Donsa320 said:
Can anyone intelligently fill me in on the status of the 737 rudder uncommanded hard-over problem of a few years ago.

I have never really seen much on it after the increased minimum flap speeds were suggested back then.

Thanx,
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Good question, I didn't even think about it. I don't have any knowledge on the rudder issue but I'd also be interested in hearing from someone who does.
 
ACT700 said:
Below is a comment made by one of you experts.
Moron. Morons. All of them. STFU.
Scary, if that imbecile really does teach students to fly. Another 20 years and I won't fly as a pax anymore.


http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=106332&catid=339
cheifpilot wrote:
Ok this is rare for me to comment but, to all the other Pilots out there. After V1 you continue!!!!!!!!!!!! hopefully you will get to V2 and then rotate. Stoping after passing V1 (the decision speed for all non pilots) is sure to end in a major accident. Yes I teach Pilots to fly and I would have my students ass, if they reject or attempt to reject take-off after V1. I dont care if the engine falls off, you still continue. Even if both powerplants fail you still attempt the take off and put it down somewhere you determine safe within the "captian" breifing prior to take off roll.
12/21/2008 10:24 AM PST on 9news.com
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Anybody besides "cheifpilot" who rotates at V2? I suspect he hasn't a clue what V2 is about.
 
I'm not sure why you guys get worked up about what some idiot posts on a TV news website. Chiefpilot might be my 96 year old grandma, for all I know.

The facts will be presented when the investigation is complete.

In the mean time, be grateful that no one was killed.

As far as the 737 rudder PCU, I believe that Boeing redesigned it, and it is no longer an issue. I'm not positive about this, though.

Merry Christmas!!!!
 
navigatro said:
I'm not sure why you guys get worked up about what some idiot posts on a TV news website. Chiefpilot might be my 96 year old grandma, for all I know.
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Here are the facts:

We're all losers with nothing better to do. :0

Didn't you know? ...pilots are know-it-all egomaniacs who think they're better than those who don't fly. It's the funniest sheet, I tell ya wut.
 
rattling is a repetitive noise with a somewhat regular frequency. The most obvious sources (no big stretch of the imagination here) for a repetitive noise while on the ground are the landing gear/brakes system and the engine. Since both systems have revolving parts, any malfunction could easily lead to an audible rhythmic imbalance. Both systems also seem likely culprits given the loss of directional control. I would think blown tires or locked brakes (malfunctioning anti-skid) should leave very obvious physical evidence that would have been reported so far. Pieces of tire or skid marks that began while motion was in line with the runway centerline would have been easily noted and likely mentioned in early investigation statements.

I am not familiar with the 7373, but one other rattling item that could lead a pilot to abort a takeoff would be an unexpected activation of a stick shaker. Those of you who know the 737 stall protections can mor readily verify or deny the likelihood of this explanation...I have no idea what it would sound like. but, if it is possible, then it may be a sign that crazy winds were at play, which triggered the system on the ground and made directional control difficult. Or perhaps a spurious activation just plain caught the crew off-guard and led to an abort under difficult conditions. Any thoughts? No disrespect intended or implied...I am glad everyone made it out with their lives.
 

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