CO 737 off runway in DEN

[Hovernut]

Glad everyone got out... now I can't wait until Miles O'Brian and the other T.V. idiots w/ private pilot licenses start "analyzing" what the pilots were doing.

Well, Miles got canned from CNN a few weeks ago, along with a few others. Who knows where he'll be spouting off from any more.

 

[Shrek]

Its funny reading all these posts...especially the ones from the apparent media and the responses some of the readers left.

Some of you trip me up as well...yes i know, i do a lot of joking on here pretty often, well not as often anymore recently. BUT.......

What i saw last night scared the SH!T out of me! We were holding short of 34R as CO 1404 started its takeoff roll on it's ill fated attempt at flight. We were talking about the lear 31 that was in position in front of us when the lear reported that "a plane just went off the runway." When i looked down the runway towards the departure end i could see smoke and the glow of flames. Tower tried multiple times to reach the CO flight without response and then ceased all operations on the west side by cancelling a TO clearance for 34L and clearing the lear from 34R to exit on F2. When the tower finally declared a "code red," the fire trucks gradually started emerging from the fire stations. The fire station not more than 100 yards from the resting spot of the A/C had a truck come out first, and it slowly drove past the accident site on taxiway WC then turned right down 34R towards the end where we were. During this time two fire trucks pulled up next to the lear on F2 and seemed ready to douse him with eveything they had. Tower repeatedly told the crews exactly where the accident site was but none of them listened and continued to remain around the lear while the other truck continued towards us. Finally as the truck came close to the end of 34R they must of had an oh sh!t moment as they realized we were both not a "737-500 series" as to which tower told them was the accident a/c. They finally found the a/c right where they were told the whole time it was(and they ignored).

Yes, it was surreal, almost dream like. Knowing we just saw this a/c start its t/o roll and now it was on fire and in condition unknown down a 100' ravine off the side of the runway. Because of the time of year we knew it was most likely full, and the thought of what could have been made us anxious, nervous and really scared. I know my voice cracked a little when tower had us move to a different area. The poor Solutions guys were pretty bad off, you could hear it in their voice and their responses to towers instructions to clear the runway and the ensuing ground conversation for their t/o...which didn't happen, they returned to the FBO. I guarantee those two gentlemen saw the plane veer of the side and then saw the smoke and fire and were expecting the worst.

During the entire flight to PHL we could do nothing but talk about what we had just witnessed, and "if" anyone could survive such an ordeal. We were finally relieved and very happy to hear that everyone was alive when we arrived in PHL that night, definately changed the nervous shakes throughout the body to feelings of joy and well being. It is very humbling when you see something like this in person versus seeing pictures on television or the news from halfway around the world or the country. Really brings the dangers of our profession to life.

Thank god everyone is ok, and to everyone out there, be careful and have a safe and happy holiday.

Merry Christmas to you too brutha.........

Very well said.

 

[whymeworry?]

Below is a comment made by one of you experts.
Moron. Morons. All of them. STFU.
Scary, if that imbecile really does teach students to fly. Another 20 years and I won't fly as a pax anymore.


http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=106332&catid=339
cheifpilot wrote:
Ok this is rare for me to comment but, to all the other Pilots out there. After V1 you continue!!!!!!!!!!!! hopefully you will get to V2 and then rotate. Stoping after passing V1 (the decision speed for all non pilots) is sure to end in a major accident. Yes I teach Pilots to fly and I would have my students ass, if they reject or attempt to reject take-off after V1. I dont care if the engine falls off, you still continue. Even if both powerplants fail you still attempt the take off and put it down somewhere you determine safe within the "captian" breifing prior to take off roll.
12/21/2008 10:24 AM PST on 9news.com

Not surprising he's a CHIEF pilot. Get those guys into the office and off the line.

Glad everyone is safe. I hear ALPA is doing a stellar job of protecting the crew.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Yes I teach Pilots to fly and I would have my students ass, if they reject or attempt to reject take-off after V1. I dont care if the engine falls off, you still continue. Even if both powerplants fail you still attempt the take off and put it down somewhere you determine safe within the "captian" breifing prior to take off roll.

Is this a misprint or something?

How the FK are you supposed to takeoff with no thrust? WTF is this guy talking about. The whole "past" V1 thing only works when at least one engine is turning. Chief pilot too, huh? :laugh:

 

[SuperFLUF]

Investigators are looking into the possibility that brake problems....

Early blame points to Continental jet's brakes

Five people remain hospitalized in the Denver area, one in serious condition


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/6175524.html

NTSB press conference tonight at 1930 EST.

 

[MJG]

^^^Well it only took Boyd 48 hours to chime in......

 

[sleepy]

Why do these accidents always bring the same predictable nuts out speculating and trying to cast blame before anybody really knows anything substantial?

 

[Charlie Brown]

Starchkr, nice post. Thanks for your account of what you witnessed. I can only imagine!

I have a lot of friends at CAL. The close ones I have talked to, the more casual ones I have not. Can someone PM me if the FO was ex-XJT? Thanks!

 

[ACT700]

Another "expert" chiming in on this topic......

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=106332&catid=339

"PhilAtio wrote:
There is always more than one thing that contributes to cause aircraft accidents. This accident occurred at night when visibility to the side of the runway was limited at best. This aircraft had winglets; vertical surfaces behind the center of gravity that act by giving extra lift as well as additional directional control, therefore the maximum crosswind component is less (33 knots vs. 36 knots) than for an aircraft without them. The pilot had reports of gusts to 30 knots, within 3 knots of the limit for this aircraft equipped with winglets. The prevailing wind was from 280 degrees and he was departing from 34(0), a difference of 60 degrees to the heading of the aircraft. Normally wind gusts die down after sunset but not yesterday; they were increasing until about 8:00 p.m. last night. The FAA had departures on 34 and landings on 25 for noise control. The airlines pressure the pilots to depart on time and not screw up the slot assigned by Air Traffic Control by demanding another runway to depart from. This guy took a chance and lost. He was at full throttle and got hit with a gust of wind that exceeded the capability of the aircraft to hold heading at precisely the wrong moment; most probably at rotation speed (lift off the nose wheel) but not liftoff speed (fly off the ground), when the nose wheel authority is low and the rudder authority is higher but not enough to compensate for the lateral velocity of the wind gust and then he found himself going sideways like a weathervane and so, once the aircraft started to veer left off the runway, he had no choice but to pull off the power and ride out the aborted takeoff which was absolutely the correct thing to do. The good news is that no one died. The bad news is that they will probably crucify the pilot for not demanding to depart on 25 if there is any discussion of this on the cockpit voice recorder. And, yes, I am a pilot."

Where do these people come up with this crap???

Maybe Philatio should concentrate on performing Felatio rather than giving advice, no, scaring non aviators who read his $hihat on those news sites.

Tell you guys what I'll do. I'm gonna pull out the old crack pipe and smoke it heavily. Then I will re-read his comment and see if it makes more sense.
Cause sober like this, I can't make any sense of this.

 

[Ticker]

Hope this works...

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2008/1222/20081222_120721_CD22CRASH_GRAPH.pdf

 

[Whine Lover]

" Even if both powerplants fail you still attempt the take off and put it down somewhere you determine safe within the "captian" breifing prior to take off roll. "


" Is this a misprint or something?

How the FK are you supposed to takeoff with no thrust? WTF is this guy talking about. The whole "past" V1 thing only works when at least one engine is turning. Chief pilot too, huh? "

--------------------------------------------------
December 22, 2008

To All Cockpit Crewmembers,

There seems to be some confusion on our newest procedures regarding continuance of flight after V1 with a loss of both engines.

Let me clarify:

You are required by the FOM/GOM, and in fact MUST, continue the take off with a loss of both engines once you are past V1. This is Company procedure.

Then, after you have determined the problem, performed all appropriate checklists, checked the weather and briefed for the approach you may land the airplane in the location that you predetermined as a possible "two engine out V1 alternate landing area" ( or: TEOVALA ). This should have been previously briefed as required by Company Policy and Procedure.

If these procedures are confusing to you please turn yourself into the Cheif Pilots office for further clarification and possible retraining.

As always, let's be safe out there... and have a Merry Christmas.

The Cheif Pilot

 

[Amish RakeFight]

That sounds like something from "RENO 911." :laugh:

 

[surfbas]

Those guys have way better skills than I do to be able to knock out checklists and the QRH with a dual engine failure at V1. Guess I will keep practicing.

 

[Ben Johnson]

wtf what a great idea your past v1 have the oh sh!t moment at jfk with another 10,000 feet sop says your going, but right who would use good judgment AND EXERSIZE 91.3 capt authority and do what ever it calls for to set the bird down a ok... 10,000 feet sitting right in front, can we use it... nah sop must be followed because we have turned airline flying into walmart... one engine or two engine who cares, like u said where is the common sense, when the S hits the fan all bets are off... so flame on boys

what ever happens best of lick to the guys atcal, all got off alive and that is all that matters, my hats off to you

 

[crxpilot]

From a CNN article:

From a CNN article:
"
The plane skidded off the runway, its wheels disintegrating. It slammed into a ravine, its fuel tanks leaking, and caught fire. Luggage fell out of overhead bins that had begun to melt.
Passengers panicked and shoved and stepped over each other. One yelled, "The plane is going to explode!" said Gabriel Trejos, who was clutching his child and feared that the buckling seats would "squash" them both.
The couple fought their way into a line of people scrambling to get out of the back of the plane. Some were trying to get their luggage first.
"I just wanted to get out of there," Gabriel Trejos said."


If I had a person trying to get their carry ons in front of me they would have nothing but my footprints all over them. :angryfire