CO 737 off runway in DEN

[MountainFreak]

I'm not going to speculate at all on the cause, and I'm glad that it wasn't much worse.

I will say that I've always had a beef with DIA and crosswinds- all those runways, all that land, and all that airspace, but they won't take off or land into the wind until people start refusing.

Again, no idea whether or not crosswinds were a factor, but maybe the controllers will realize that planes don't have to be pointed at the north pole to get off the ground.

 

[zonker]

I'm just so glad Mary Schiavo had a chance to comment on something she had no idea about.

 

[StrykerFL]

Another "expert" chiming in on this topic......

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=106332&catid=339

http://www.9news.com/life/community...9&plckUserId=5a49e8f5f82b4c28a98ef6d8b3b297b9 "PhilAtio wrote:
There is always more than one thing that contributes to cause aircraft accidents. This accident occurred at night when visibility to the side of the runway was limited at best. This aircraft had winglets; vertical surfaces behind the center of gravity that act by giving extra lift as well as additional directional control, therefore the maximum crosswind component is less (33 knots vs. 36 knots) than for an aircraft without them. The pilot had reports of gusts to 30 knots, within 3 knots of the limit for this aircraft equipped with winglets. The prevailing wind was from 280 degrees and he was departing from 34(0), a difference of 60 degrees to the heading of the aircraft. Normally wind gusts die down after sunset but not yesterday; they were increasing until about 8:00 p.m. last night. The FAA had departures on 34 and landings on 25 for noise control. The airlines pressure the pilots to depart on time and not screw up the slot assigned by Air Traffic Control by demanding another runway to depart from. This guy took a chance and lost. He was at full throttle and got hit with a gust of wind that exceeded the capability of the aircraft to hold heading at precisely the wrong moment; most probably at rotation speed (lift off the nose wheel) but not liftoff speed (fly off the ground), when the nose wheel authority is low and the rudder authority is higher but not enough to compensate for the lateral velocity of the wind gust and then he found himself going sideways like a weathervane and so, once the aircraft started to veer left off the runway, he had no choice but to pull off the power and ride out the aborted takeoff which was absolutely the correct thing to do. The good news is that no one died. The bad news is that they will probably crucify the pilot for not demanding to depart on 25 if there is any discussion of this on the cockpit voice recorder. And, yes, I am a pilot."

Where do these people come up with this crap???

 

[DashTrash400]

StrykerFL for avatar of the year.

 

[Turbine Pilot]

Actually DIA uses runway 25 for takeoff most of the time but sometimes the winds are just nasty and they would rather have a plane landing into the wind so they don't clip the wing on the ground going 140 knots, unlike taking off where you are basicly flat until you get airborne and have a much less chance of hitting the wing on the ground. Either way, I agree, they could use another east-west runway. I remember last summer we had 50 knot east-west winds and that basicly shut the airport down. They only had one runway for takeoffs, and one other for landings. Thats like landing a 172! Geez!

 

[rajflyboy]

could be a brake issue.

 

[RDG]

Funny you say that, the DIA ground guy gave me massive crap two days ago for telling him we couldn't take off on 8, because of the winds. He told me everyone else was doing it and I could expect delays off 17. Fine. If the tailwind limit is exceeded, we will wait all day.

Do they really think peer pressure is going to make us exceed limitations?

 

[goodgig]

^^^Should ask Philatio.
He apparently knows.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

WHAT??????????????

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...rgn=div5&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.4.26&idno=14

He's not a pilot, he's a flight sim kid. Up waaay past his bedtime.

 

[zonker]

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