CO 737 off runway in DEN

[MJG]

^^^Well it only took Boyd 48 hours to chime in......

 

[sleepy]

Why do these accidents always bring the same predictable nuts out speculating and trying to cast blame before anybody really knows anything substantial?

 

[Charlie Brown]

Starchkr, nice post. Thanks for your account of what you witnessed. I can only imagine!

I have a lot of friends at CAL. The close ones I have talked to, the more casual ones I have not. Can someone PM me if the FO was ex-XJT? Thanks!

 

[ACT700]

Another "expert" chiming in on this topic......

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=106332&catid=339

"PhilAtio wrote:
There is always more than one thing that contributes to cause aircraft accidents. This accident occurred at night when visibility to the side of the runway was limited at best. This aircraft had winglets; vertical surfaces behind the center of gravity that act by giving extra lift as well as additional directional control, therefore the maximum crosswind component is less (33 knots vs. 36 knots) than for an aircraft without them. The pilot had reports of gusts to 30 knots, within 3 knots of the limit for this aircraft equipped with winglets. The prevailing wind was from 280 degrees and he was departing from 34(0), a difference of 60 degrees to the heading of the aircraft. Normally wind gusts die down after sunset but not yesterday; they were increasing until about 8:00 p.m. last night. The FAA had departures on 34 and landings on 25 for noise control. The airlines pressure the pilots to depart on time and not screw up the slot assigned by Air Traffic Control by demanding another runway to depart from. This guy took a chance and lost. He was at full throttle and got hit with a gust of wind that exceeded the capability of the aircraft to hold heading at precisely the wrong moment; most probably at rotation speed (lift off the nose wheel) but not liftoff speed (fly off the ground), when the nose wheel authority is low and the rudder authority is higher but not enough to compensate for the lateral velocity of the wind gust and then he found himself going sideways like a weathervane and so, once the aircraft started to veer left off the runway, he had no choice but to pull off the power and ride out the aborted takeoff which was absolutely the correct thing to do. The good news is that no one died. The bad news is that they will probably crucify the pilot for not demanding to depart on 25 if there is any discussion of this on the cockpit voice recorder. And, yes, I am a pilot."

Where do these people come up with this crap???

Maybe Philatio should concentrate on performing Felatio rather than giving advice, no, scaring non aviators who read his $hihat on those news sites.

Tell you guys what I'll do. I'm gonna pull out the old crack pipe and smoke it heavily. Then I will re-read his comment and see if it makes more sense.
Cause sober like this, I can't make any sense of this.

 

[Ticker]

Hope this works...

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2008/1222/20081222_120721_CD22CRASH_GRAPH.pdf

 

[Whine Lover]

" Even if both powerplants fail you still attempt the take off and put it down somewhere you determine safe within the "captian" breifing prior to take off roll. "


" Is this a misprint or something?

How the FK are you supposed to takeoff with no thrust? WTF is this guy talking about. The whole "past" V1 thing only works when at least one engine is turning. Chief pilot too, huh? "

--------------------------------------------------
December 22, 2008

To All Cockpit Crewmembers,

There seems to be some confusion on our newest procedures regarding continuance of flight after V1 with a loss of both engines.

Let me clarify:

You are required by the FOM/GOM, and in fact MUST, continue the take off with a loss of both engines once you are past V1. This is Company procedure.

Then, after you have determined the problem, performed all appropriate checklists, checked the weather and briefed for the approach you may land the airplane in the location that you predetermined as a possible "two engine out V1 alternate landing area" ( or: TEOVALA ). This should have been previously briefed as required by Company Policy and Procedure.

If these procedures are confusing to you please turn yourself into the Cheif Pilots office for further clarification and possible retraining.

As always, let's be safe out there... and have a Merry Christmas.

The Cheif Pilot

 

[Amish RakeFight]

That sounds like something from "RENO 911." :laugh:

 

[surfbas]

Those guys have way better skills than I do to be able to knock out checklists and the QRH with a dual engine failure at V1. Guess I will keep practicing.

 

[Ben Johnson]

wtf what a great idea your past v1 have the oh sh!t moment at jfk with another 10,000 feet sop says your going, but right who would use good judgment AND EXERSIZE 91.3 capt authority and do what ever it calls for to set the bird down a ok... 10,000 feet sitting right in front, can we use it... nah sop must be followed because we have turned airline flying into walmart... one engine or two engine who cares, like u said where is the common sense, when the S hits the fan all bets are off... so flame on boys

what ever happens best of lick to the guys atcal, all got off alive and that is all that matters, my hats off to you

 

[crxpilot]

From a CNN article:

From a CNN article:
"
The plane skidded off the runway, its wheels disintegrating. It slammed into a ravine, its fuel tanks leaking, and caught fire. Luggage fell out of overhead bins that had begun to melt.
Passengers panicked and shoved and stepped over each other. One yelled, "The plane is going to explode!" said Gabriel Trejos, who was clutching his child and feared that the buckling seats would "squash" them both.
The couple fought their way into a line of people scrambling to get out of the back of the plane. Some were trying to get their luggage first.
"I just wanted to get out of there," Gabriel Trejos said."


If I had a person trying to get their carry ons in front of me they would have nothing but my footprints all over them. :angryfire