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[brokeflyer]

I am a furloughed CA FO. I would not vote in a union.

Life there was not bad and from what I read here, still is not bad. You guys are spoiled, plain and simple. People are struggling to make their bills and you are whining about pay cuts in a recession unlike this country has EVER seen. Here is an idea, how about pulling your collective, union loving heads out of your asses and breathing? You all sound hypoxic.

IF the company is funneling money out of CA ops to help Cessna, well that is how business works, so what. Cessna owns CA. They have to stay afloat to keep us afloat. Nobody sounds like they are prospering....yet.

I am starting to believe the pro union people are some of the laziest/dumbest Americans in our country.

I am with Bogey. I always hated flying with the pro union types at CA. They were whiney, little bitches.....plain and simple. Let them miss a crew meal, have to get up early for a day that was only a 3 legger and ended by noon, had to work a day of overtime, ect., and you would hear it for the rest of the day.

Spoiled little bitches!!!! Come join the unemployed. THAT is where you belong.

lets see how you feel after they hire someone else to do your job for cheaper rather than call you back.

from your attitude though, its probably a good thing you dont get called back.

 

[OldCrow]

"So you get the pro union side of the story and nothing else unless someone like myself or someone else who is not sucking the unions nuts, decides to post up."

Wow, I don't even have a Dog in this fight, but if YOU are the voice of of anything I would stand away from it. Saftey your weapon, put the pin back in the grenade, and take your meds....better yet, take a look in the mirror. I really do hope life does improve for ya tough guy.

 

[RCR5]

Judging from your attitude wont be hard to pick you out. Will be seeing ya soon.

It would be an early Christmas for me if you do. Like stacking wood.

 

[RCR5]

lets see how you feel after they hire someone else to do your job for cheaper rather than call you back.

from your attitude though, its probably a good thing you dont get called back.

I can assure every pro union nut hugger that it IS a good thing they don't hire me back because I would be your worst ********************ing enemy....bar none.

 

[Pervis]

I can assure every pro union nut hugger that it IS a good thing they don't hire me back because I would be your worst ********************ing enemy....bar none.

Whether or not CA hires you back, you have but one vote in the event of a union drive. Unless you are threatening violence, which your posts elude to. In light of recent events, I would suggest toning down your poorly veiled threats. One tough guy does not do well in any environment these days. Or are you just trolling? Another pseudo name for B19 per chance?

 

[RCR5]

lets see how you feel after they hire someone else to do your job for cheaper rather than call you back.

from your attitude though, its probably a good thing you dont get called back.

The reason I am not working there and people like you are is because they dumped the old way of doing things on merit (you earned it) and employed the union ways (it is given to you....like a handout). Now terds like yourself are protected, regardless of how much you stink because you have a higher seniority number, unreal. Then you come on the boards and complain.....that is CLASSIC!!!! That is just one flaw in how things are done with unions....they protect the worst employees like yourself. The company doesn't get better, stronger, more efficient, they become cancerous. The mentality of idiots like yourself spreads and the company slowly gets worse.

Again, not one of you have the mental capacity to realize we are in the worst recession in our countrys history. All fractionals have been struggling, yet you want MORE!

10 hours between flights....oh my, how do you guys manage? Forced overtime...God forbid you work more to earn more. Getting up early for a 3 leg day only to be done by noon and STILL bitching about it......lol. Life is SO hard for all of you.

 

[RCR5]

Whether or not CA hires you back, you have but one vote in the event of a union drive. Unless you are threatening violence, which your posts elude to. In light of recent events, I would suggest toning down your poorly veiled threats. One tough guy does not do well in any environment these days. Or are you just trolling? Another pseudo name for B19 per chance?

Hey Perv, I could careless what you suggest. I have already covered the FACT that I don't respect the weak, lazy, pro union nuthuggers like yourself who are looking for a handout, so you can STFU!

 

[OHGOON]

Call me old fashioned but I was taught you save your job by doing your job. I know it is lost on the union folks and you as well, regardless of where you stand. I laugh when I read what you sissys whine about. I just want to reach through the computer and kick your cellulite laden asses!

BTW, you sound like a chick or a fag...haven't determined which yet. If I get really bored, I will look at more of your posts and figure it out. Regardless, it is NOT work at CA. Anyone that thinks they are overworking there is lying. Plain and simple.

Oh yeah, tell me about finding aircraft on ramps oh great one! You are so experienced, preach on an impress the internet crowd. You are a ********************ing tool!

BTW, I could give a ******************** if you got a problem with my posts. I don't respect you so it is meaningless to me.

So only anti union folks work hard and do their jobs? The rest of us cellulite laden asses just sit back and enjoy the country club perks at CA while keeping your merit based work ethic on the sidelines?

I guess you are pretty old fashioned judging from your ugly display of sexism and homophobia. What does anyone's sex or sexual orientation have to do with anything in this thread? By going down that road you only expose your ignorance and petty little prejudices.

After reading your posts here, it make me wonder if you even have the capacity of respect anyone who does not share your particular opinions?

Good luck to you.

 

[Praetorian]

The reason I am not working there and people like you are is because they dumped the old way of doing things on merit (you earned it) and employed the union ways (it is given to you....like a handout). Now terds like yourself are protected, regardless of how much you stink because you have a higher seniority number, unreal. Then you come on the boards and complain.....that is CLASSIC!!!! That is just one flaw in how things are done with unions....they protect the worst employees like yourself. The company doesn't get better, stronger, more efficient, they become cancerous. The mentality of idiots like yourself spreads and the company slowly gets worse.

Again, not one of you have the mental capacity to realize we are in the worst recession in our countrys history. All fractionals have been struggling, yet you want MORE!

10 hours between flights....oh my, how do you guys manage? Forced overtime...God forbid you work more to earn more. Getting up early for a 3 leg day only to be done by noon and STILL bitching about it......lol. Life is SO hard for all of you.

What merit based criterion do you believe CA management should have used to determine who would be furloughed and who would not?

 

[RCR5]

What merit based criterion do you believe CA management should have used to determine who would be furloughed and who would not?

I believe those who were constantly getting into trouble, making waves, or talking disparagingly about the company on a constant basis, should be gone....that is not how you show respect for the job and those paying you to do that job.

I also believe if a person is notorious for not being able to handle the job and all that goes with it and has a reputation for not being able to work with others; should be tossed out on his/her ear.

There were not a lot of these but I flew with several and when talking to other pilots after the tour was over, I heard that was the stink on them...yet the company kept them on board....WTF? If it were my company, they would be gone....period.

I only witnessed CA doing everything in their power to make my time there wonderful. It was a GREAT job with outstanding people from the pilots up to top of management. So when I read people whining and bitching about stupid ******************** like I have covered, it chaps my ass and I now have nothing to lose, so I will enjoy calling them out for being ********************ing *************************s and morons.

They really are soft, worthless, gutless, pansies!!!!!

If these people were dumped first, on a merit basis, that would have made the company leaner and stronger. They were problem children. After they were gone, then maybe start on a seniority basis, or offer the early retirements, ect..

My point is really this....the company has a handful of ******************************bags that I KNOW are still there because they have a high seniority number...that is not right in my world. If they are not good employees, get rid of them and let those that are performing, do the job and stay. This is one of my biggest grinds with unions or in this case, the threat of a union. It literally is protecting the people that would be fired at operations anywhere else.

BTW, I like and respect the way you worded your post. Thanks

 

[RCR5]

So only anti union folks work hard and do their jobs? The rest of us cellulite laden asses just sit back and enjoy the country club perks at CA while keeping your merit based work ethic on the sidelines?

I guess you are pretty old fashioned judging from your ugly display of sexism and homophobia. What does anyone's sex or sexual orientation have to do with anything in this thread? By going down that road you only expose your ignorance and petty little prejudices.

After reading your posts here, it make me wonder if you even have the capacity of respect anyone who does not share your particular opinions?

Good luck to you.

Well thanks for saving me the time of looking up your posts to determine your 'orientation'......lol.

Sexism and homophobia.....words created by the libtard nation in a pathetic attempt to silence the majority. The majority that differs with the opinions and beliefs of said retarded nation. I am a patriot and believe in my right to freedom of speech and will ALWAYS fight for it and fight those that try to infringe on it.

So you can take your PC bull******************** and shove it up your ass you weak mental midget. Go get another dose of The View and STFU you ********************ing libtard!

 

[Pervis]

Just curious. Did CA furlough by strict reverse seniority, or was there some "randomness" involved? In either case, seems you guys made the right choice in removing this loon before he drove away all your customers or worse.

 

[Krapflier]

Wow!!!

 

[jehtplane]

Just curious. Did CA furlough by strict reverse seniority, or was there some "randomness" involved? In either case, seems you guys made the right choice in removing this loon before he drove away all your customers or worse.

Was by reverse seniority.

 

[dicko]

Well thanks for saving me the time of looking up your posts to determine your 'orientation'......lol.

Sexism and homophobia.....words created by the libtard nation in a pathetic attempt to silence the majority. The majority that differs with the opinions and beliefs of said retarded nation. I am a patriot and believe in my right to freedom of speech and will ALWAYS fight for it and fight those that try to infringe on it.

So you can take your PC bull******************** and shove it up your ass you weak mental midget. Go get another dose of The View and STFU you ********************ing libtard!

I'm hoping that you haven't been allowed to own a firearm. Your issues extend well beyond the scope of this job.

Get some help before you hurt somebody. Including yourself.

Please.

 

[Praetorian]

I believe those who were constantly getting into trouble, making waves, or talking disparagingly about the company on a constant basis, should be gone....that is not how you show respect for the job and those paying you to do that job.

I also believe if a person is notorious for not being able to handle the job and all that goes with it and has a reputation for not being able to work with others; should be tossed out on his/her ear.

There were not a lot of these but I flew with several and when talking to other pilots after the tour was over, I heard that was the stink on them...yet the company kept them on board....WTF? If it were my company, they would be gone....period.

I only witnessed CA doing everything in their power to make my time there wonderful. It was a GREAT job with outstanding people from the pilots up to top of management. So when I read people whining and bitching about stupid ******************** like I have covered, it chaps my ass and I now have nothing to lose, so I will enjoy calling them out for being ********************ing *************************s and morons.

They really are soft, worthless, gutless, pansies!!!!!

If these people were dumped first, on a merit basis, that would have made the company leaner and stronger. They were problem children. After they were gone, then maybe start on a seniority basis, or offer the early retirements, ect..

My point is really this....the company has a handful of ******************************bags that I KNOW are still there because they have a high seniority number...that is not right in my world. If they are not good employees, get rid of them and let those that are performing, do the job and stay. This is one of my biggest grinds with unions or in this case, the threat of a union. It literally is protecting the people that would be fired at operations anywhere else.

BTW, I like and respect the way you worded your post. Thanks

Thanks. So what I'm hearing you say is that that CA management should have identified all the slackers, malcontents and incompetents and let them go first? That this approach would have either mitigated of eliminated their need to furlough you and others from the bottom of the seniority list?

I don't remember the actual number of pilots that were furloughed at CA, but for the sake of argument let’s say CA management determined they needed to furlough 70 pilots. Next they go through the list and identify the types of pilots mentioned above and come up with 40 bad-actors. So where are they going to find the other 30 pilots?

This is where my original question comes in. Under your concept, the remaining pilots would need to be ranked in order of their "merit" or value to the company. How would you quantify that value among the remaining pilots and what criterion would you use to identify the remaining pilots merit?

 

[Crash Pad]

This guy needs to never come back. At first I thought he was posting via jack Daniels. Now I think he may be certifiable. His prior posts make it easy to narrow down who he is though.

 

[Helmsalee]

Wow, this guy can't be real. Nobody could be that loony tune naturally.

 

[gunfyter]

We need a popcorn emoticon for this board.

 

[CA1900]

Yup. All the cool boards have one! :laugh:

 

[gret]

He may have gotten carried away a bit, but some of his points are valid.

He simply didn't realized that he had entered the Twilght Zone and once he did, all hope was lost and the nightmare began.

It happens here all the time.

 

[airjackson]

You see a lot of crazy stuff posted on FI but this guy is really out there, borderline disturbed. I would caution him that (if he is indeeed a furloughed CA pilot) it is not to difficult to narrow down who he might be. If I was CA management or an owner, I would be VERY interested in finding out who this guy is before he is recalled. His incoherent, homo-phobic, profanity-laced rants, not to mention his veiled physical threats, should raise a few security eyebrows.

I'm furloughed CA as well and I have NEVER met any pilot at CA as disturbed as this individual appears to be. This is way beyond union vs non-union debate. This guy isn't fit to crew a professional aircraft.

 

[gret]

C'mon...everyone I know gets hacked off once in awhile, swears, and wants to pop somebody in the nose. Heck, they wouldn't be real men if they didn't. Also, most of the girls I know do the same thing.

Some people like unions, others don't. Some people like Rex Ryan, others don't. Some people like Bill Belichick...whoops sorry.

Having a spirited contrary opinion about unions doesn't make somebody better or worse as a pilot, or even as a human being!

 

[OHGOON]

Well thanks for saving me the time of looking up your posts to determine your 'orientation'......lol.

Here you give a fine illustration of why merit is not a fair system. You make a prejudiced, highly personal judgment on someone who you don't know. (and hopefully never will)

Evaluating pilots on merit is no different, since there is no way to measure day to day performance amongst pilots equitably, it quickly degenerates into game of who will kiss butt better which ultimately impacts safety negatively because no one is willing to risk their favorability rating when it comes time to say no. It also leaves many people out in the cold through no fault of their own. CA, to their great credit, came to realize this was creating hard feelings and the potential for discrimination lawsuits which ultimately made them move to a seniority system instead.

I am a patriot and believe in my right to freedom of speech and will ALWAYS fight for it and fight those that try to infringe on it.

Who are you fighting? No one is stopping you from spewing your vileness and outing yourself as unbalanced in the process. You do have the right to freedom of speech, but even Justice Scalia was quoted recently once again that that right is not limitless. In other words it does not protect you in case you are dumb enough to actually scream fire in a crowded theater. Same thing applies to women and sexual orientation. You can hate them all you want but you have to tolerate them because if you don't you impinge on their constitutionally guaranteed civil rights.

BTW, most of your posts make veiled references to sticking things up other's rears. So what am I to assume about your sexual proclivities? Me thinks you protest a bit too much sir!

 

[RCR5]

Thanks. So what I'm hearing you say is that that CA management should have identified all the slackers, malcontents and incompetents and let them go first? That this approach would have either mitigated of eliminated their need to furlough you and others from the bottom of the seniority list?

I don't remember the actual number of pilots that were furloughed at CA, but for the sake of argument let’s say CA management determined they needed to furlough 70 pilots. Next they go through the list and identify the types of pilots mentioned above and come up with 40 bad-actors. So where are they going to find the other 30 pilots?

This is where my original question comes in. Under your concept, the remaining pilots would need to be ranked in order of their "merit" or value to the company. How would you quantify that value among the remaining pilots and what criterion would you use to identify the remaining pilots merit?

You understand what I am saying. It should have never gotten to this point in the first place with having to eliminate the bad apples in the first place, however, due to the 'threat' of the union and the way the idiots on this thread act, it did. So, you know who they are, get rid of them. If you still need to furlough more, then you could go to the seniority type system. That is the way it should be used. The way CA used it, still protects the idiots who should not be there.....the union way. That was my point.

You seem to get it. I suspect you perform well at your job. I think you would probably be the type I would enjoy flying with. You make sense and are not the union nut hugger type that can't see anything but that.

 

[RCR5]

Just curious. Did CA furlough by strict reverse seniority, or was there some "randomness" involved? In either case, seems you guys made the right choice in removing this loon before he drove away all your customers or worse.

Don't worry Perv, you are safe behind your little computer there. Never had anyone tell you how stupid you were? You do lead a sheltered life.

 

[RCR5]

I'm hoping that you haven't been allowed to own a firearm. Your issues extend well beyond the scope of this job.

Get some help before you hurt somebody. Including yourself.

Please.

Thanks for your concern, dick. I will continue beating up on the stupid.....yourself included.

 

[RCR5]

This guy needs to never come back. At first I thought he was posting via jack Daniels. Now I think he may be certifiable. His prior posts make it easy to narrow down who he is though.

Oh NO!!! Well do tell...please. Did you learn this type of ******************** in junior high or high school?

Stupid should hurt! You are a perfect example of why.

 

[RCR5]

Wow, this guy can't be real. Nobody could be that loony tune naturally.

You are correct, sister. It just takes a hour or so of reading your posts and the other loons on this board and you can be there too. You have to start with a good bit of common sense and good judgment though. That pretty much eliminates you though.

 

[RCR5]

You see a lot of crazy stuff posted on FI but this guy is really out there, borderline disturbed. I would caution him that (if he is indeeed a furloughed CA pilot) it is not to difficult to narrow down who he might be. If I was CA management or an owner, I would be VERY interested in finding out who this guy is before he is recalled. His incoherent, homo-phobic, profanity-laced rants, not to mention his veiled physical threats, should raise a few security eyebrows.

I'm furloughed CA as well and I have NEVER met any pilot at CA as disturbed as this individual appears to be. This is way beyond union vs non-union debate. This guy isn't fit to crew a professional aircraft.

Another pole smoker huh? Well Mr. PC, you too can STFU! Yeah, I am sure you are a furloughed CA FO....lol.

Please don't find out who I am....I am very nervous and concerned. It sucks feeling so accountable to the union idiots on this board.