CHQ passes by 95%!

[BlueCanoe]

A topped-out SWA CA will make $200/hr next year . . . in a 737!

A 737, by the way, I believe SWA's are configure for ~122 seats.

50/122=40.9836% I'm sure you have a calculator and will check that. Now, let's use your assumptions:

Our old farts will earn $85.62/hr today, with the CBA voted in and all. But let's use $85/hr since it rounds in your favor:

85/200=42.5%

Now, lets do some more SWAGS. Let's assume at 2007 SWA is up to $220/hr. Our old farts will be at $103.30/hr

103/220=46.81818%

OK. We fly 40 percent of the seats and make greater than 40% of their (SWA, in case you dozed off) pay.

Great job, TOGA!!!

 

[BlueCanoe]

BlueCanoe, TWAER, you guys really do need to step away from this board. I see you guys are getting a little sensitive. You totaly mistook the tone of my post. Reread my previous post and take a deep breath, the message wasen't meant the the way you've taken it.

Like I said, you got improvements in your new contract and if you're happy, good for you, nuff said.

Adios

I guess I'm sorry. I should assume you meant, "Congratulations Chautauqua. I'm so happy for all of you. It wasn't quite the victory that you all, and the rest of the industry hoped for, but you all got raises (7.5%, not to shabby), stopped your 'alter-ego', and improved your benefits. That's a great step forward. Now you can get them on the next one. Wish us luck!!!"

Well, you didn't you took potshots. I really hope you all get the TA you want. And you should. You are the SOLE source of regional feed (be it short-haul or light markets) for CAL. The size of your company should be able to put CAL on its knees if you choose to strike. You're 3X the size of CHQ. You have alot more planes. Oh, did I mention, you are the sole source of regional revenue for CAL? If you can't raise the bar, who can? Only Eagle has the same, but not quite, situation. Please post a link so I can review the best TA/CBA in the industry when you are finished. I want a goal for 2007.

 

[Lc130driver]

Look people, if you work and fly a small jet you are NOT a regional pilot. Any body that tells you that is probably laughing at you to the bank. The business world wants you to think that, so management can line there pockets with your hard work and devotion. Watch and see how your management give them selves bonus, while your FO are in poverty. I was sicken when somebody says $50,000 is OK. People, ups driver make more than you, people at Walmart makes more than your FO. People in TSA that don't have a high school diploma make more than you. Personally I think you guys screwed the pouch on this one. You had a chance to shut down your airline, and really tell the airlines that you wont work for slaves wages anymore. But you guys caved in. One thing is for sure you made it a lot harder for the COEX pilots and Mesaba to negotiate a decent contract. Because there are pilots at Mesa and know Chautauqua that are willing to sell there souls to fly 50, 70 or maybe 100 seat aircraft for nothing, you are effecting my life and every other pilot group out there. I sure hope you guys can live with this contract for the next couple of years becuase your managment knows you will cave in just as you did here. For the people that think that they will be at a small airline for a couple of years is dreaming. You are going to be here for a long time especially when work for peanuts flying larger airplanes. I guess it's up to the pilots at COEX and Mesaba to stop the race to the bottoms.

 

[Skull-One]

I guess it's up to the pilots at COEX and Mesaba to stop the race to the bottoms.

If you manage to avoid the "race to the bottom" it will only be because we stopped it first. Say what you want, we surpassed most and closed the gap on the rest.

I am not particularly pleased with seeing my fellow F/Os make zip, and the idea of growth at the expense of QOL offends me, BUT....this contract reversed the downward trend. We did it first. I hope you folks manage to take it to the next level. If not, you'll just be fired upon at will by the village idiots...

 

[BlueCanoe]

Look people, if you work and fly a small jet you are NOT a regional pilot. Any body that tells you that is probably laughing at you to the bank. The business world wants you to think that, so management can line there pockets with your hard work and devotion. Watch and see how your management give them selves bonus, while your FO are in poverty. I was sicken when somebody says $50,000 is OK. People, ups driver make more than you, people at Walmart makes more than your FO. People in TSA that don't have a high school diploma make more than you. Personally I think you guys screwed the pouch on this one. You had a chance to shut down your airline, and really tell the airlines that you wont work for slaves wages anymore. But you guys caved in. One thing is for sure you made it a lot harder for the COEX pilots and Mesaba to negotiate a decent contract. Because there are pilots at Mesa and know Chautauqua that are willing to sell there souls to fly 50, 70 or maybe 100 seat aircraft for nothing, you are effecting my life and every other pilot group out there. I sure hope you guys can live with this contract for the next couple of years becuase your managment knows you will cave in just as you did here. For the people that think that they will be at a small airline for a couple of years is dreaming. You are going to be here for a long time especially when work for peanuts flying larger airplanes. I guess it's up to the pilots at COEX and Mesaba to stop the race to the bottoms.

It's an interesting lecture on professionalism. It's only interesting because you refused to use any punctuation or grammar correctly. I know I'm not perfect, but if you want to tell me how PROFESSIONAL YOU ARE, use a freakin' dictionary or have your mom proof read your post first. That was an interesting comment about "ups driver" [sic] and "people at Walmart" [sic]. I am assuming the Wal-Mart individuals you are talking about are Greeters and Cashiers, because I read an article about the explosvie growth in Rogers, AR. (If you don't know why that town is in this reference, do us a favor and euthinize your self.) I worked at UPS. They pay well, but you work your tail off. Oddly enough, neither of them are in our industry.

Also, I didn't screw the "pouch"[sic]. If it was anything, it would be the "pooch".

We should have shut our airline down? Why don't you shut your airline down, and help us?

Also, don't bring Mesaba up. Those poor guys are getting smacked by NWA, or haven't you heard??

Please write your retort, take it to school tomorrow, and have an English teacher (3rd grade or higher, please) review and correct it. It will prevent you from proving to us how dumb you are...

P.S. The FAR's still state you have to read, speak and understand English. I guess nothing about being able to write, spell or punctuate.

 

[TWAER]

You big bad CHQ pilots, you are just making it harder for the good folk at Mesaba and Coex and everyone else to make a living.


Another example of ignorance and mis information. I know I am not a regional pilot but I work for a regional airline bud. Hey, UPS don't make that much for 10 or more years. I used to work there.

Here we go for the slow folk
CHQ= raising the bar...........stay with me lc130driver.........took no concessions on the current contract.........still with me.................gained something on all sections of the new contract............WOW that's lowering the bar isn't it. How in the *&ck do you think this is going to hurt COEX or Mesaba. CHQ ain't either, plain and simple. Surley the MEC of both companies know you can't compair CHQ to them. MESA maybe but we are not half as big as MESA.

And hey buddy, I can get many jobs that pay twice as much as what I make here, but you know, I love to fly. I never got into it for the money. Apparently you did and it shows. I hope you get $100 an hour and get 8 days off a month. Enjoy the QOL!!!

 

[imfloodedII]

I knew as soon as the EMB-170 showed in IND for free rides, it was all over for CHQ.

Hope the catering crew cleaned the seat-backs, Spankie!

Your 2003 payrates are 5% higher than Calex pay rates. (5th year) - negotiated in 97.

Your current 70 seat payrates are 10% higher for an aircraft with 40% more seats and your 90 seat payrates are 20% higher for an aircraft with 80% more seats.

You're current payrates would barely pay for a cost of living increase for other carriers.

Give us a break. Only 20 more years to cash in at $119!!!

Someone posted that management was laughing at you........sorry, with a 95% passrate, they were too busy picking out their new yachts you just bought them...Try a 60% pass rate next time.

 

[TWAER]

Quote me something I haven't heard 1,000 times.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Originally posted by TWAer
Hey, UPS don't make that much for 10 or more years. I used to work there.

Based on your callsign, am I correct in assuming you voluntarily left UPS for TWA, only to be furloughed and are now at CHQ?

 

[Skull-One]

A lot of guys load boxes to pay the bills while they learn to fly.... I am assuming that is what TWAer did. His credibility is completely intact IMHO....

 

[Hugh G Rection]

let's face reality about transfer's from chq to republic.Republic is going to get 28 jets 170's I believe.Half the seats are going to mainline guys, leaving (assuming3.6 pilots per plane a wexford high amount) a possible 100.2 seats .Now chq will say they can't possilbly afford to lose that many pilots at one time and wexford won't want to pay training costs twice so there will be street hires out there hired on at republic (they've been advertising for them).so lets say thats 40 pilots.That means only 60 chq pilots will make it to republic.Now once they're their they will only allow tranfers through attrition or more jets.If wexford wanted to constantly retrain pilots they would have just put the 170's on at chq and changed the name to something easier.So except for the lucky 60 everyone else is screwed flying 145's.But the teamsters won't care because since they're all on one list they get paid anyways street or not.
Also wexford (and chq) are responsible for 100% of the liabilities at SA meaning that every bill (fuel parts hotels) is either backed or paid by them.So when Republic holings goes public, wexford will write off SA's losses taking a one time charge against capital gains on the republic sale leaving a financially clean certificate.Now that certificate will be immediate competition against Republic now an independant co.And with all wexfords resources behind it Sa will survive and be built up to go publc themselves oneday.

 

[PadFull'oTrim]

I.P.F.

It's just that we can't control Wexford, so why concern ourselves with SA. We can control RAH so thats where we concentrate our efforts.

Didn't SA get some offer from our MEC that was turned down? I'm not sure of the details because they won't even tell our members the full details of what was discussed.

 

[LearLove]

Can someone actually point me to the company/industry announcement of Chq. and or Rep. getting 170's? I'm under the impression that only MDA will fly the EMB-170's, 85 on order (with one geared-up from what I hear).

 

[OldManPilot]

No where has it been offically posted about CHQ recieving ANY additional aircraft.

I believe the E170 rumor was just a "carrot" dangled to solicit votes for the new TA.

There will probably be a few more E145's added to enter service for J4J flying.

 

[BlueCanoe]

let's face reality about transfer's from chq to republic.Republic is going to get 28 jets 170's I believe.Half the seats are going to mainline guys, leaving (assuming3.6 pilots per plane a wexford high amount) a possible 100.2 seats .Now chq will say they can't possilbly afford to lose that many pilots at one time and wexford won't want to pay training costs twice so there will be street hires out there hired on at republic (they've been advertising for them).so lets say thats 40 pilots.That means only 60 chq pilots will make it to republic.Now once they're their they will only allow tranfers through attrition or more jets.If wexford wanted to constantly retrain pilots they would have just put the 170's on at chq and changed the name to something easier.So except for the lucky 60 everyone else is screwed flying 145's.But the teamsters won't care because since they're all on one list they get paid anyways street or not.
Also wexford (and chq) are responsible for 100% of the liabilities at SA meaning that every bill (fuel parts hotels) is either backed or paid by them.So when Republic holings goes public, wexford will write off SA's losses taking a one time charge against capital gains on the republic sale leaving a financially clean certificate.Now that certificate will be immediate competition against Republic now an independant co.And with all wexfords resources behind it Sa will survive and be built up to go publc themselves oneday.

Dude....You're making my head spin. Where did you get this info? You must have alot of free time or something. Slowly, once again. This is how it has been presented to us.

Republic is now used as a tool to do flying CHQ can not. Let's use some what-if deals. DAL would not let CHQ fly for AirTran. Republic has it's own planes, operations, certificate and what-not.
So, now a ATL base is added for RP. Tiny Sack, I'm sure your bid sheet looks EXACTLY like ours. If I lived in ATL, I would bid ATL EM4 CA. Then I would be awarded such.

Now about your incoherent babbling about possible 170's. We may or may not get them. Only time will tell. It was presented to us it would be a UAL J4J. However, read this twice, we would have to add five (5) UAL furloughees to the BOTTOM OF THE LIST (just like they are new-hires) for FO positions in the airplanes. ALL FIVE (5) CA SLOTS PER A/C WILL COME FROM CHQ IN SENIORITY ORDER.

Also, they are still working on a deal to get SA pilots to CHQ.

That all said, do you think it's odd that every time Republic's start date gets pushed back, there is an extension of SA's closure timeline?