CHQ passes by 95%!

[Air Biscuit]

O.K. I made a mistake it was your second ta. It does make some difference because I'm sure that alot of you guys were getting frustrated and wanted to make some kind of improvements over what you had. It is unfortunate though that managements will not give you anything that you aren't willing to walk for. Now that you settled you will be flying at those rates for years and years. You all work for a profitable company and you would have been close to a real strike threat which would have shown management that you weren't a bunch of pu$$ies. I know that you guys don't feel like you are in the same league as Comair and COEX, but it seems that most of you are trying to justify making peanuts and Z-scale wages. When will it end. Compare your job to a UPS driver. $70,000 a year driving boxes and home every night. 9 weeks paid vacation and a nice retirement pension. How much money, time and schooling does it take to get there. None. We have to take pride in our profession. Yeah flying is cool, but it needs to pay the bills. $50,000 a year is not the cat's @ss. Only if you're still living at home with your parents. I think alot of you forgot what it took to get to where you're at and are still excited over hopes of flying bigger equipment. I would fly a C-152 if paid the bills. We need to take back our profession. You aren't Z-scale pilots. The rest of the industry is hurt every time a company is willing to do the job for less. That's why we care about what you guys get paid. We are all union pilots. Unity and resolve is what it's all about. What's done is done and we will all have to live with it. Not just the CHQ pilots.

 

[ERJpusher]

To all of you spewing your self-righteous bull$hlt about your contract rates in 1997 as compared to ours:

You keep talking about "raising the bar." Well, guess what? We are trying to work with the bar that YOU set for us. If you would have agreed on higher wages right away, we wouldn't have to work so hard to improve upon them. If you think the rates are crap, WHY IN THE HELL DID YOU SIGN ON FOR THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?

Contrary to your own popular belief, the substandard wages we now see for the 50-seat jet are the result of your own doing. If the first contract you signed had jet captains making $100k right out of the chute, then it wouldn't be so hard to maintain. Instead, you allow the company to pay you $50k, and now blast everyone for not being able to double those rates in 5 years time.

You think we are screwing you right now, but in reality, you screwed yourself and everyone else in the regional industry 5 years ago with your first "bar-setting" contract.

BTW, all of you who are trashing us, you had better never say one positive word about the likes of Southwest, jetBlue, Air Tran, etc. The majors see the LCC's much worse than you see us. If you have an affinity for any of the aforementioned airlines, it would be in your best interest to keep your hypocritical views to yourself.

 

[brew3departure]

flyr said

>>Honestly, it's probably that you guys voted in this contract, because if the majority of your peers at CHQ voted to strike, some of you pu$$ies would have just crossed the line anyway!<<

Flyr, this has gone beyond personal attacks. Get a grip, leave the computer for ten minutes, go outside, walk the dog. You are hanging on too tight. It's a message board. It's a computer for christ's sake.

This kind of statement completely discredits just about everything you said before, in my eyes. I hope you don't take that attitude with you into the cockpit. Seriously. CHILL OUT.

 

[ERJpusher]

Flyr,

Whatever you have to tell yourself to think that you aren't the reason we all are in this predicament.

 

[ERJpusher]

And another thing, flyr: You need to stop saying that our new payscales are lower than you current payscales when, in fact, your payscales are lower than our OLD payscales. Keep in mind that the old contract was signed before we had any jets on property and AFTER you had already signed your contract. You established the bar and now we all have to live with it. I don't care if it was done 5 years ago or 5 months ago, the result is still the same. You agreed to substandard wages that the rest of the industry was forced to follow in order to be competitive.

I don't think our new payscale is anything spectacular, but it is an average 7.5% raise over what we already had, with some important items included. Most notably, scope, which several major airline pilots say is the most important clause in the whole contract.

If you're going to spout off a bunch of idiotic statements, make sure there is some actual fact supporting it. You continue to discredit yourself post after post with your baseless thoughts and opinions. You have thouroughly proven that you are indeed the clueless one in this conversation.

 

[BORN2FLY]

To all of you spewing your self-righteous bull$hlt about your contract rates in 1997 as compared to ours:

You keep talking about "raising the bar." Well, guess what? We are trying to work with the bar that YOU set for us. If you would have agreed on higher wages right away, we wouldn't have to work so hard to improve upon them. If you think the rates are crap, WHY IN THE HELL DID YOU SIGN ON FOR THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?

Wow, I don't even know where to begin with you. You want to argue from past contract to past contract? Ok...what were you making on your last contract prior to 1997? Contract '97 for us went from $13.00/hr to over $20.00...still WAY behind the power curve, yes. But, a pretty substantial percentage increase. Oh...and, by the way...what kind of "flow-through" did you have as part of your contract in '97????.........?????? You're trying to fight a fire with gasoline.

You think we are screwing you right now, but in reality, you screwed yourself and everyone else in the regional industry 5 years ago with your first "bar-setting" contract.

Bottom line: You have noone to blame for your P.O.S. contract but yourselves. Your "increases" are a disgrace. The only thing that increased in your contract was your "lack of standards and guts."

All of you who voted "YES" should be ashamed.

 

[ERJpusher]

Born2B!tch,

For starters, there was no contract before the last one.

For another, the "flow-through" in your contract is something to be really proud of. It has been a great benefit to your pilots.

 

[BORN2FLY]

T O O L

Man, you should break your own fingers before you think about getting on that keyboard again. Every time you start typing, you prove what a "stain" you are. The flow through worked great for a lot of people, for a long time. Noone could forsee 9/11. There's a "down" side to everything. But, it sure beat the hell out of your flow-through. OH! Wait! You didn't have one.

Just sit back "little-man", and find out what a REAL contract looks like.

 

[BlueCanoe]

Re: T O O L

Man, you should break your own fingers before you think about getting on that keyboard again. Every time you start typing, you prove what a "stain" you are. The flow through worked great for a lot of people, for a long time. Noone could forsee 9/11. There's a "down" side to everything. But, it sure beat the hell out of your flow-through. OH! Wait! You didn't have one.

Just sit back "little-man", and find out what a REAL contract looks like. [/QUOTE


Captain X,

Good luck with your contract. I hope you all do well, but with guys like this, I hope it doesn't ruin your job.

 

[BORN2FLY]

Re: Re: T O O L

Captain X,

Good luck with your contract. I hope you all do well, but with guys like this, I hope it doesn't ruin your job. [/B]

Blue,

I'm curious. What, exactly, is wrong with what I said? NOTHING. You guys just don't like being "called out" for what you're responsible for. But, hey, Captain X...I hope my opinion that CHQ rolled over for management doesn't "ruin your job" too. Come on Blue, you can't really be this much of a "stain." OPEN YOUR EYES!

 

[BlueCanoe]

Re: Re: Re: T O O L

Blue,

I'm curious. What, exactly, is wrong with what I said? NOTHING. You guys just don't like being "called out" for what you're responsible for. But, hey, Captain X...I hope my opinion that CHQ rolled over for management doesn't "ruin your job" too. Come on Blue, you can't really be this much of a "stain." OPEN YOUR EYES!

I was more commenting on your obvious knowledge base of the airline industry and its inner workings. Being CoEx appears to be your first airline according to your profile, and you're still an FO, you seem to have alot of "Fact-based" knowledge of the industry backing you up. I sure hope you get an industry leading contract. You have many things going for you: You are the ONLY source of RJ feed to CAL. You have a ton of planes and pilots. If you don't get an industry LEADING contract, I'll be the first one to let YOU know. Your colleagues at CoEx have a lot of collective experience. Ask about Bill Britt, or some whys and hows of guys who have been in the industry awhile. They're easy to find, look at the top (or first page, however it works) of your seniority list. Get your TA, then gloat about it on here. According to Captain X's research you will need a 13% raise DOS to top Comair.

The goal is set.

Good luck.

 

[Air Biscuit]

It is going to be he!! of alot more than a 13% percent increase to get any yes votes at all. Were not going for just a raise, but a lifestyle change and an end to this B.S. Were fed up and ready to walk in a heartbeat.

 

[Ben Franklin]

Beware of those who would walk perpendicular to your picket line, for they are the healers of all wounds that you inflict upon your company's face.