CHQ passes by 95%!

[captjim]

CHQ guys, many of us were hoping that you would have done better, to better leverage ourselves. Things didn't go the way we wanted and are we're a little dissapointed.

With that said, what is done is done. Your contract is an improvement and if you are satisfied with it, than good for you.

Hopefully we'll all get over it and move forward and bring this profession with us.

 

[TWAER]

As far as I know, we do not have to use company approved AME.

Actually, Union pushed for PBS.

Captjim, on a serious note, what would you have liked to see in our contract. Don't give me the same old pay must be higher BS. We are still the third highest paid regional in the industry. Tell me though, what we should have asked for.

 

[captjim]

As far as I know, we do not have to use company approved AME.

Actually, Union pushed for PBS.

Captjim, on a serious note, what would you have liked to see in our contract. Don't give me the same old pay must be higher BS. We are still the third highest paid regional in the industry. Tell me though, what we should have asked for.

TWAER, I've outlined some things in previous post as to why I'm dissapointed. Pay rates, deadhead, 401k, per diem, the 98.5 ontime for guarantee. I hoped you guys would have gotton better than what we have in our current contract. I know you can't or may not get everything that you want, but I thought you'd get most of it.

Like I said, whats done is done and lets move on.

Adios

 

[cmrflyer]

Sorry guys, but your contract is more like Comair -10%. With the concessions the company (Cmr) wants now , even thought we are making a profit, no one I have spoken to would give these wankers a dime( by the way, who has ever heard of anyone give their salary back to a company that is profitable?). We would rather see the company burn. I would rather be selling crack on the street corner, than be a whore smoking the company's crack (CHQ)!!!!!

 

[Hugh G Rection]

Wait a minute! The CQH pukes are pounding their chests about stopping Republic ? Aren't they starting in Dec ? Oh they're on the CQH seniority list right? So the lucky few who get to transfer will be happy flying the bigger jets but the rest will be stuck in the 145's.Whats the language in the ta about tranfers? The same as Mesa's problably. Ask a 1900 driver how long it would take him to tranfer companies. What happens when CQH goes public and the companies split up? What about shuttle america?Are they on the list?No? Can't wexford give them jets and screw cqh altogether. Oh well its done wait till '08 or '11 for the next contract this was only practice apparently

 

[FlyingDawg]

I just love it when people post things they have no clue about.

Just to answer a few of the above questions and false statements above:

CHQ is IBT not ALPA. In fact CHQ pilots went to ALPA and were turned down as being too small. (I often wonder if they think this was mistake now) To become ALPA, the pilots would need to not be represented for a rather long period of time (something like 6 years) because of bylaws and the IBT and ALPA affliations with AFL-CIO.

Medicals will be filed under insurance and reimbursed at a rate of $70 (outside of network). In network would be fully covered.

Union pushed for pref. bidding and can opt out at anytime if they don't like the program.

Republic bids will be accepted just like a base transfer with seniority rules.

Republic Airways Holdings is going public not Chautauqua. Chautauqua Airlines and Republic Airlines are both units of the company going public. Shuttle America is not part of RAH.

Not too much worry about Shuttle America getting jets because they are losing millions and financing is not available. Shuttle was basically formed to serve out the SF-340 leases. Proving runs would be costly. If they are rolled into RAH then they fall under our scope and pay rules.

CHQ MEC was offered a carbon copy of the Comair contract (including pay) after we voted down the first one. MEC did not offer it to the members because of the QOL issues.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

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CHQ MEC was offered a carbon copy of the Comair contract (including pay) after we voted down the first one. MEC did not offer it to the members because of the QOL issues.

OK, I have to raise the BS flag on that one. Please explain the QOL issues you refer to. You turned down a carbon copy of our contract and accepted what you did? As a wise old man once said, "you gonna go to hell for lieing boy".

 

[BlueCanoe]

Wait a minute! The CQH pukes are pounding their chests about stopping Republic ? Aren't they starting in Dec ? Oh they're on the CQH seniority list right? So the lucky few who get to transfer will be happy flying the bigger jets but the rest will be stuck in the 145's.Whats the language in the ta about tranfers? The same as Mesa's problably. Ask a 1900 driver how long it would take him to tranfer companies. What happens when CQH goes public and the companies split up? What about shuttle america?Are they on the list?No? Can't wexford give them jets and screw cqh altogether. Oh well its done wait till '08 or '11 for the next contract this was only practice apparently

Tiny Sack,

Are you really that dumb? I mean, honestly, I've seen alot of flamebait from CoEx and CMR guys, but come on...Were you drunk or stoned when you wrote this? I hope to God, Buddah or Shiva that you were. It would be the only viable excuse. If you weren't Cheeched, you have a promising career in food stamp collection.

If you're going to bash us, do it better. First, let's get the ID right. It's not CQH. It's CHQ. Ok. If that was too fast, you can read it again, the words won't go anywhere.

OK...one last time. In 3rd grade English even!! (Timmy, you need to pay attention, too!)

How REPUBLIC and CHAUTAUQUA work; By the Blue Canoe

There is a company. It is called Chautauqua. Can you say Chautauqua. Probably not, but I digress. This man, named Bryan Bedford, he became CEO. Chautauqua is owned by Wexford. You don't have enough cash to invest in Wexford. Wexford is in finance. Do you know what finance is? You do? Great. Wexford wants to make Chautauqua a publicly traded company. Since the minds at Wexford understand that rocket scientists, such as yourselves, can't pronounce or spell Chautauqua, they want a "Catchy" name. "Republic" is the name found upon. (I understand you're lost. It's cool. Re-read it. Take notes and make a diagram. It won't help you understand, but you'll feel smart.) They decide the public can pronounce and spell R-E-P-U-B-L-I-C, so they name the holding company that. We will fast forward now. Grab on to your chairs, this is the mind-blowing part. CHAUTAUQUA and REPUBLIC are both owned by the holding company. The structure is such that no transfers are needed, no flow-thru is required. The only thing is you need to bid equipment and a base. That's it. Incredibly simple.

Unlike wholly-owned subsidiaries, we were able to create one-list for the holding company.

Also, Hugh, SA is not owned by Republic Holdings. I don't know what will happen to your job once the SF3 leases are up.

cmrflyr, That is a real strong case you present. After reviewing it, I find you to have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. The calling me a Crack Whore really doesn't bother me. I mean really, YOU were on strike for 89 days, and Comair still exists, you guys have your own seniority list, Delta be-d@mned. Way to go!!

Captjim, Show me one (1) airline that has increased benefits in regards to insurance and retirement (be it 401(k) or company funded) since 9-11. Heck, all I see on the news is how companies are cutting 401k matches and raising insurance premiums in ALL INDUSTRIES. I sure hope your contract is EVERYTHING YOU want.

 

[ERJpusher]

CoEx's profit per airplane is nearly 2 times that of CHQs. That being said, the new CoEx contract should reflect this proportionally. Let's look at what those payscales need to be in order to compare apples to apples:

Continental Express Payscales

First officer:

Year 1: 42.00
Year 2: 56.50
Year 3: 65.00
Year 4: 67.00

Captain:

Year 1: 102.00
Year 2: 108.00
Year 3: 115.34
Year 4: 118.94
Year 5: 122.58

These numbers are based on our new contract, which you X-jetters seem to think is a failure. Therefore, if you do not achieve pay rates ABOVE these, your contract will also be a proportional failure. You make twice as much per aircraft as us, you should be getting twice as much as us.

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>Not too much worry about Shuttle America getting jets because they are losing millions and financing is not available.<<<

Errr, since we are owned directly by Wexford, it's fair to say that they can get the financing if they want it.

IF they want it is another question.

Of course the "millions" we are losing is money that CHQ should be losing instead, but that is an issue that's been beaten to death already.

Maybe it's only wishful thinking, but it seems like an odd business plan that would run a company for three years and then simply dump it when the Saab leases run out.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I do find it interesting, however, how flippantly you dismiss SA as a potential jet operator. Is it a fair guess that you will feel slighted, or at least vaguely annoyed, if we DO get jets on our certificate?

 

[FDJ2]

Actually it hasn't. What I think is good pay, other people disagree with.

you said:

A regional pilot's job is easy. It is ridiculously easy.

In which case, you obviously don't approach this profession with the level of dedication necessary to demand wages commensurate with the responsibility of a captain of a commercial jetliner and you are short changing those passengers who think you do. By all means, go fishing, where only the fish get hurt.

 

[TWAER]

Captjim

I do not know who you work for, and I really don't care. I work for CHQ and EVERY point you bring up was greatly improved upon.
PAY Deadhead, 401K, per diem, 98.5 completion factor, all improvements. Maybe this is not acceptable at your company but I don't work for your company. We voted on a contract based on improving our last contract, not making you happy. Yes, I wanted better pay, but you know, I can still buy food, drive 3 cars, own a home(and no it is not on wheels), and have enough left over to have fun. And guess what, I get 16 days off this month, home every weekend, very few RON's and my QOL will only get better with the new contract.

Like I said before, some of you have NO credibility. I read the stuff you posted a few months ago about making sure WE stop RP at all cost. I have also had many people in MY jumpseat in the past year who have told me the same thing. DO NOT ALLOW RP TO START UP. Now you say that was no big deal and that we sold out. GET A CLUE! You're right, RP is starting up, but they will have to have CHQ pilots flying their airplanes under OUR rules. WE stopped RP from becoming an alter ego of CHQ. But you know, some of you NOW have a comback for that one. What happens when they sell or buy or whatever? What about transferring between companies? What about the fact that.............well...........hummmmmmmmm.......well you guys are just a bunch of whores.

Oh well, this is my last post on this very hopeless thread. SOME of you will never be happy with OUR contract. Thank GOD you never have to live under it. Just make sure to post your new TA so I can go straight to the comp. section and tell you how disappointed I am. Oh, that's right, you will never vote for that kind of contract. You wouldn't want to be put in the same cat. as CHQ. Hell, they live in MOBILE HOMES and eat out of the dumster.

 

[captjim]

BlueCanoe, TWAER, you guys really do need to step away from this board. I see you guys are getting a little sensitive. You totaly mistook the tone of my post. Reread my previous post and take a deep breath, the message wasen't meant the the way you've taken it.

Like I said, you got improvements in your new contract and if you're happy, good for you, nuff said.

Adios

 

[Skull-One]

I didn't like the T/A and I admit it. But you know what? We moved the ball down the field with it. Any way you slice it this T/A is an improvement during a time when concessionary contracts are king.

We didn't take a sack. We didn't kneel in the end zone for a safety. We handed the ball off and picked up 7 yards. We closed the gap on everyone else. That in and of itself gives leverage to anyone negotiating a contract. "CHQ has closed in on us. This isn't right. We want more."

Pull your heads out and face the reality of what has happened here. There are two bars in this industry, the bottom one and the top one. Even if you move the bottom one up that is a victory. We managed to move from the bottom bar to very near the top. We have raised the MEDIAN (average) wage and QOL in the industry with this contract. Others have lowered it.

Get off our backs.

 

[lazy8s]

All of you pilots that do not and have not worked for CHQ...

STFU!!

How do ANY of you know what the day to day life is like here??
I'm pretty happy here.....

I'll admit I have no idea what life is like at the "best" regional (that name is up to debate) and the "worst" regional on a day to day basis.

Granted it is easy to spin rumors and theories and run your mouth behind a screen name. But looking at things logically, we have a better contract than before. That was the point.

I voted for the contract and I'll admit that to anyone tomorrow and 4 years from now. Sure things aren't perfect but things will improve around here.

As for all you jacka$$es running your mouths, show me YOUR perfect contract that YOU are working under NOW and I'll be happy to retract all of this and bow down to the great and powerful Regional Pilot that you must be.

Really.......Shut up!!

 

[BlueCanoe]

A topped-out SWA CA will make $200/hr next year . . . in a 737!

A 737, by the way, I believe SWA's are configure for ~122 seats.

50/122=40.9836% I'm sure you have a calculator and will check that. Now, let's use your assumptions:

Our old farts will earn $85.62/hr today, with the CBA voted in and all. But let's use $85/hr since it rounds in your favor:

85/200=42.5%

Now, lets do some more SWAGS. Let's assume at 2007 SWA is up to $220/hr. Our old farts will be at $103.30/hr

103/220=46.81818%

OK. We fly 40 percent of the seats and make greater than 40% of their (SWA, in case you dozed off) pay.

Great job, TOGA!!!

 

[BlueCanoe]

BlueCanoe, TWAER, you guys really do need to step away from this board. I see you guys are getting a little sensitive. You totaly mistook the tone of my post. Reread my previous post and take a deep breath, the message wasen't meant the the way you've taken it.

Like I said, you got improvements in your new contract and if you're happy, good for you, nuff said.

Adios

I guess I'm sorry. I should assume you meant, "Congratulations Chautauqua. I'm so happy for all of you. It wasn't quite the victory that you all, and the rest of the industry hoped for, but you all got raises (7.5%, not to shabby), stopped your 'alter-ego', and improved your benefits. That's a great step forward. Now you can get them on the next one. Wish us luck!!!"

Well, you didn't you took potshots. I really hope you all get the TA you want. And you should. You are the SOLE source of regional feed (be it short-haul or light markets) for CAL. The size of your company should be able to put CAL on its knees if you choose to strike. You're 3X the size of CHQ. You have alot more planes. Oh, did I mention, you are the sole source of regional revenue for CAL? If you can't raise the bar, who can? Only Eagle has the same, but not quite, situation. Please post a link so I can review the best TA/CBA in the industry when you are finished. I want a goal for 2007.

 

[Lc130driver]

Look people, if you work and fly a small jet you are NOT a regional pilot. Any body that tells you that is probably laughing at you to the bank. The business world wants you to think that, so management can line there pockets with your hard work and devotion. Watch and see how your management give them selves bonus, while your FO are in poverty. I was sicken when somebody says $50,000 is OK. People, ups driver make more than you, people at Walmart makes more than your FO. People in TSA that don't have a high school diploma make more than you. Personally I think you guys screwed the pouch on this one. You had a chance to shut down your airline, and really tell the airlines that you wont work for slaves wages anymore. But you guys caved in. One thing is for sure you made it a lot harder for the COEX pilots and Mesaba to negotiate a decent contract. Because there are pilots at Mesa and know Chautauqua that are willing to sell there souls to fly 50, 70 or maybe 100 seat aircraft for nothing, you are effecting my life and every other pilot group out there. I sure hope you guys can live with this contract for the next couple of years becuase your managment knows you will cave in just as you did here. For the people that think that they will be at a small airline for a couple of years is dreaming. You are going to be here for a long time especially when work for peanuts flying larger airplanes. I guess it's up to the pilots at COEX and Mesaba to stop the race to the bottoms.

 

[Skull-One]

I guess it's up to the pilots at COEX and Mesaba to stop the race to the bottoms.

If you manage to avoid the "race to the bottom" it will only be because we stopped it first. Say what you want, we surpassed most and closed the gap on the rest.

I am not particularly pleased with seeing my fellow F/Os make zip, and the idea of growth at the expense of QOL offends me, BUT....this contract reversed the downward trend. We did it first. I hope you folks manage to take it to the next level. If not, you'll just be fired upon at will by the village idiots...

 

[BlueCanoe]

Look people, if you work and fly a small jet you are NOT a regional pilot. Any body that tells you that is probably laughing at you to the bank. The business world wants you to think that, so management can line there pockets with your hard work and devotion. Watch and see how your management give them selves bonus, while your FO are in poverty. I was sicken when somebody says $50,000 is OK. People, ups driver make more than you, people at Walmart makes more than your FO. People in TSA that don't have a high school diploma make more than you. Personally I think you guys screwed the pouch on this one. You had a chance to shut down your airline, and really tell the airlines that you wont work for slaves wages anymore. But you guys caved in. One thing is for sure you made it a lot harder for the COEX pilots and Mesaba to negotiate a decent contract. Because there are pilots at Mesa and know Chautauqua that are willing to sell there souls to fly 50, 70 or maybe 100 seat aircraft for nothing, you are effecting my life and every other pilot group out there. I sure hope you guys can live with this contract for the next couple of years becuase your managment knows you will cave in just as you did here. For the people that think that they will be at a small airline for a couple of years is dreaming. You are going to be here for a long time especially when work for peanuts flying larger airplanes. I guess it's up to the pilots at COEX and Mesaba to stop the race to the bottoms.

It's an interesting lecture on professionalism. It's only interesting because you refused to use any punctuation or grammar correctly. I know I'm not perfect, but if you want to tell me how PROFESSIONAL YOU ARE, use a freakin' dictionary or have your mom proof read your post first. That was an interesting comment about "ups driver" [sic] and "people at Walmart" [sic]. I am assuming the Wal-Mart individuals you are talking about are Greeters and Cashiers, because I read an article about the explosvie growth in Rogers, AR. (If you don't know why that town is in this reference, do us a favor and euthinize your self.) I worked at UPS. They pay well, but you work your tail off. Oddly enough, neither of them are in our industry.

Also, I didn't screw the "pouch"[sic]. If it was anything, it would be the "pooch".

We should have shut our airline down? Why don't you shut your airline down, and help us?

Also, don't bring Mesaba up. Those poor guys are getting smacked by NWA, or haven't you heard??

Please write your retort, take it to school tomorrow, and have an English teacher (3rd grade or higher, please) review and correct it. It will prevent you from proving to us how dumb you are...

P.S. The FAR's still state you have to read, speak and understand English. I guess nothing about being able to write, spell or punctuate.