Chief pilot at Netjets?

[o2bflyn]

English poet, painter, printmaker, and essayist William Blake said in Annotations to Sir Joshua Reynolds's Discourses, pp. xvii–xcviii (c. 1798–1809) "To Generalize is to be an Idiot. To Particularize is the Alone Distinction of Merit—General Knowledges are those Knowledges that Idiots possess."

True, but when you are trying to widdle a list of thousands of applicant down to a list of a couple hundred some generalizing is going to occur. Right or wrong, its the way life is.

There were days in the not so distant past that the airlines were doing the exact same thing as netjets, in principle of course.

Never heard anyone pissing and moaning about that one. When you are driving the car you get to decide where it goes.......right now Netjets is driving.

 

[laserman2431]

Would you say that Flight Attendants at Southwest don't understand customer service as well as Delta Flight Attendants because Southwest does not have assigned seats?

 

[o2bflyn]

Would you say that Flight Attendants at Southwest don't understand customer service as well as Delta Flight Attendants because Southwest does not have assigned seats?

I would definetly say DAL flight attendants have a bad attitude, but that's got nothing to do with southwest.

 

[laserman2431]

I would definetly say DAL flight attendants have a bad attitude, but that's got nothing to do with southwest.

I guess the point I was trying to make is that Delta and Southwest offer a different service at a different price point. That does not necessarily reflect on the inherent goodness or badness of the people who work there.

 

[o2bflyn]

I guess the point I was trying to make is that Delta and Southwest offer a different service at a different price point. That does not necessarily reflect on the inherent goodness or badness of the people who work there.

I know, I was trying to bring a little humor to the thread. Bad timing I guess.

Your point is very valid.

 

[fischman]

Would you say that Flight Attendants at Southwest don't understand customer service as well as Delta Flight Attendants because Southwest does not have assigned seats?

It isn't because of the assigned seats they don't understand customer service. Watch a flight attendant on any airline perform the most important part of their job, the safety announcement. On the PA, they hide behind the bulkhead. The ones who are doing the demonstration refuse to make eye contact or smile with any of the passengers. Sorry, but offering to put cream in my coffee doesn't really impress me.

On an RJ, with one FA, they are incapable of looking at a passenger while talking on the PA. They have to look in the galley, out the door, or at the bulkhead. People aren't scary! Use a little charm!!! The male flight attendants have even stopped wearing a tie all together in many cases!!!


Sorry, but to compare ANY airline to NetJets in the quality of their employees is laughable. We hire the best because our owners (passengers) demand the best.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Sorry, but to compare ANY airline to NetJets in the quality of their employees is laughable. We hire the best because our owners (passengers) demand the best.

That's funny.... the perception one has when you are making the industry leading money and have the big contract.

Before the downturn in the scheduled airline industry, nobody would even consider that statement as anything but laughable when compared to ANY legacy carrier.

Times have changed and are changing everyday.

When this financial mess catches up with NJ, (and it will) I wonder if you'll be making the same statements when the industry swings back in the other direction again after NJ begins to choke on the contract they got suckered into during the good times. Sound familiar?

The noise you hear is union history repeating itself.

 

[fischman]

That's funny.... the perception one has when you are making the industry leading money and have the big contract.

Before the downturn in the scheduled airline industry, nobody would even consider that statement as anything but laughable when compared to ANY legacy carrier.

Times have changed and are changing everyday.

When this financial mess catches up with NJ, (and it will) I wonder if you'll be making the same statements when the industry swings back in the other direction again after NJ begins to choke on the contract they got suckered into during the good times. Sound familiar?

The noise you hear is union history repeating itself.

Ok. I'll hire bad candidates then. Where's your application? You're hired. :nuts:

The contract has nothing to do with the standards NetJets has set for the applicants. They are high, and I'm glad they are. Like I said earlier, NetJets owners (passengers) are paying an incredible amount of money to fly with the best. My job is to see that is what they get.

I'm not going to start another debate with you about unions.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Ok. I'll hire bad candidates then. Where's your application? You're hired. :nuts:

The contract has nothing to do with the standards NetJets has set for the applicants. They are high, and I'm glad they are. Like I said earlier, NetJets owners (passengers) are paying an incredible amount of money to fly with the best. My job is to see that is what they get.

I'm not going to start another debate with you about unions.

That is exactly what it was like a decade ago at legacy carriers before the market changed. That was for ANY position at a legacy carrier, not just pilots. Do those standards hold true for all positions or just pilots?

It's amazing the changes that can happen in only a decade.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Ok. I'll hire bad candidates then. Where's your application? You're hired. :nuts:

Even if I could, I can't afford the pay cut.

 

[learflyer]

Still haven't answered my question of how NJA provides superior CS over the other fracs. .

 

[laserman2431]

Sorry, but to compare ANY airline to NetJets in the quality of their employees is laughable.

Word of advise. When you're on top, a little bit of grace goes a long way. It's nice to see someone who is proud of their company but is it really necessary to denigrate brother aviators? A little class maybe?

 

[laserman2431]

... a little bit of grace goes a long way....

It doesn't cost very much and it lasts a long while.

 

[fischman]

Still haven't answered my question of how NJA provides superior CS over the other fracs. .

Now, I'm not trying to make this a NJA is better than FLOPS, Flex, or Shares "thing". The point I was trying to make is that airline pilots are not in our league when it come to taking care of the owners (passengers). They fly the planes and do a great job at it, but that is the extent of an airline pilot's involvment to a "good" flight.

I did answer it.

 

[fischman]

Word of advise. When you're on top, a little bit of grace goes a long way. It's nice to see someone who is proud of their company but is it really necessary to denigrate brother aviators? A little class maybe?

You're right. I apologize.

But listen. The airlines are known for laughable customer service (David Spade saying "buh-bye" ring a bell? That was almost 20 years ago!). Comparing an airline to NetJets when talking about taking care of the passenger is not fair.

 

[niteflyr]

Oh no, who let that B19 annoyance in here.

 

[brokeflyer]

lol im still trying to figure how b19 thinks the union screwed up the chief pilots that cause this guy to ask who to send his resume to.....lol

 

[niteflyr]

lol im still trying to figure how b19 thinks the union screwed up the chief pilots that cause this guy to ask who to send his resume to.....lol

The bold above shows where you were wrong, contradiction in itself! LOL!

 

[B727FA]

Thanks for nothing, losers.

What a pathetic board.....

Because you didn't get the answer you wanted? Or that people told you that it has nothing to do with writing the CP? Do what we all did and read the website...EVERYTHING you need is there.

 

[B727FA]

Flight attendants too. If the NJA F/A's ratify the LOA they have been presented, all future NJI F/A's will come from the NJA F/A group. If the ones bidding don't meet the two year company longeveity requirement, they can fill the positions with newer people up to and including new hires. So that means, as with the pilots, as of November the only way to NJI is through NJA.

So, hey, "Talent Acquisition Team"! "Talent has several meanings

It really is, in fact the Talent Acquisition. Everything you've heard about the "way" interviews/hiring goes is OUT THE WINDOW. Any gouge you have is outdated.

They're doing this big on-line assessment and it's very different to say the least.

As for the FA's: the NJI FAs are coming over and the new seniority list has been published (subject to challenges).

There is a projected need of 16-20 FA for the Gulfstream starting in Jan (next "NJI" class is January)...however, it has been filled with Falcon FAs who want to transfer. When the first 4 go over, there will be a shortage on the DA2000. So there will be hiring for FA's...either to the DA2000 or the Gulfstream...obviously a new-hire won't be holding the BBJ.

Additional FAs were approved in May and the first class since 06 is set to go on line in October and the 2nd (and final for the year) is starting on 3 Nov.

Even if they are still in the seat lock, the CBA allows FA's to xfer to another fleet IF there are vacancies that haven't been filled (this is an option before reverse assigning)...however, if a locked FA proffers another fleet and then another/enough UN-locked FAs takes it, the locked one goes back to the locked fleet. The proffered FA also starts her lock over again (on the "new" fleet).