Chemtrails: holiday update

[Northern Lights]

Perhaps this has been posted already, but it's sure a cool picture!

747 contrails

not exactly "pencil thin."

 

[uscpilot]

Did you see that??!! The photographer is obvously on the ground, the jet is below the 2000' cloud deck and inverted spraying the chemgoo!!!
Denver was right!!!
usc

 

[Singlecoil]

Well, I see he logged off. Confront these chemtrail guys with logic, and they skitter off into the shadows.

It's bad enough that Denver is ignorant. It's bad enough that he's a liar. He's also a coward.

Or, as I suggested before, he's a paranoid-schizophrenic, which would cover all three traits.

Sadly, I think Typhoon is right. There are, according to the Mayo Clinic, 2 million Americans that suffer from varying degrees of the disorder we know as paranoia-shizophrenia. A disorder in which the sufferers often are convinced that they are being bombarded by commands from the television, or the neighbor's satellite dish, or that people are poisoning their water or air. They often complain of odors that no one else can detect. Imagine how sad it would be if someone you cared about was convinced the government was poisoning them every time they tasted a stale glass of water.

At any rate, it is absolutely futile to argue with these people. Their only hope is anti-psychotic medication.

 

[414Flyer]

They often complain of odors that no one else can detect. Imagine how sad it would be if someone you cared about was convinced the government was poisoning them every time they tasted a stale glass of water.

Funny, because on one of the threads at chemtrail central, you will find mention of a metallic smell in the air ...

 

[Singlecoil]

..and on another one, there's a guy who writes down all the license plates of the cars that are spraying him with chemicals out of their exhaust pipes. He claims he can smell the odor.

 

[Typhoon1244]

He claims he can smell the odor.

Oh. That was me. Sorry...

 

[KigAir]

Actually Denver, chemtrails do come from high flying aircraft. The FAA has a little know regulation allowing toilets in aircraft to flush directly out into the airstream. This usually goes un-noticed but under some environmental conditions, the waste crystalizes.

 

[Denver130]

daily statistics

Yesterday was in interesting day in Houston. The temperature was around 66 degrees and the humidity was at 27 percent as recorded at KPRC click2 Houston web site. Between 4pm and 6:30pm I took some more photos that might interest you.

http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/Houston21.html
http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/Houston22.html

Let me know what you think of them.

 

[Swass]

I think you've lost it. Stop worrying about chemgoo and worry about yourself, don't you have some Christmas shopping to do? Get a girlfriend/dog or other constructive hobby, stop worrying about conspiracy related garbage. What you think is happening isn't, okay?

 

[CDNJetPilot]

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Denver,

Those new photos look like a typical day. First set looks like a 767 or A310. Second set is a 747. Both appear to be flying at high altitude, say 30000ft +.

The weather you gave means absolutely nothing. Put it this way, yesterday at the surface, the winds were 15 knots, go up to 1000ft and they were 45 knots and the temp dropped drastically. What the conditions are at FL180+ have no relation to the surface conditions.

Right now for instance, at FL340, it's -53C. You can agree with me that contrails will exist at this condition. The surface temp is 54f, or about +12C.

Either way, none of your so called photos of low contrails are low. Anyone can see that. Those trails are way above the opaque cloud layer.

I know you won't read and consider anything I've told you, but you seriously need to learn how to distinguish the altitudes of these contrails you see. That's the first step.

Here's a link to upper level temp's.

http://www.flightplanning.navcanada.ca/Latest/anglais/Latest-anal250-e.html

 

[Loafman]

Why do you guys even indulge this moron? I say the next chemtrail post gets zero replies and zero views.

On another subject, does anyone know how to get neuro-poly-ehtyl-zolo-amide off your shoes? I was walking under the spray nozzle doing my preflight and stepped in some. It's like bubble gum with a carcinogenic twist.

 

[Denver130]

Quit quoting some anynomus CAL pilot.

Quit quoting some anynomus CAL pilot. -USCPILOT

The question is really this. Is the pilot reliable or not?

My answer is yes. Why?

1. He flew through the clouds.
2. He had instruments to gage it.
3. He flies to Grand Rapids often.
4. He has no reason to lie unless he "saw me comin"!
5. He is not a chemical engineer, nuclear physisist, or other intelligent person I have named already. He is a PILOT. One of your kind

If he is reliable, then there is no reason to disbelieve him.

Then we can assume that the trails in those photos

http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/Thanksgiving03a.html

are not at 30,000ft plus where normal jet contrails form. Therefore there is validity in what I've said.

I'm surprised that you don't believe him.

Believe it or not, you can get altitude data on the web. Since Michigan is a very cloudy state most of the year, its the perfect region to monitor chemtrails. Once you establish low altitude clouds, you have a reference point for altitiude. Once you snap a picture, you have electonic evidence. Once you go to the daily news, you can get temperature and humidity.

This really isn't very complex. This is plain scientific observation and documentation.

What is the real problem? The facts.

The facts don't bear out what you are saying. Thats why you keep looking for more.

I'm surprised one of you pilots doesn't take a note pad and evaluate the facts. You have more access to altitude, temperature and humidity than I do. All I have is the web, a camera, pilots testamonys when I can get them, a federal document listing chemtrials, a public declaration from Kucinich that they exist, thousands of electronic photos, air and water sample tests posted on the web ect.

That's all I have.

I can ignore it,
Turn a blind eye to it,
Not question pilots about it,
Not discuss it with concerned citizens,
Discount pilots testamonys,
Ignore books written about it
Look down at the ground and not at the sky.
Call my photos normal looking.

But you'd have to a rock or a bump on a log.

 

[Denver130]

Houston cloud cover

As I begin to search statistics on clouds here in Houston, I'm finding that altitude of 2,000ft is not uncommon.

I'll keep you posted.

 

[T-Gates]

Re: Quit quoting some anynomus CAL pilot.

5. He is not a chemical engineer, nuclear physisist, or other intelligent person I have named already. He is a PILOT. One of your kind

Oh, now we aren't intelligent? Well F U C K you, chemtrail douchebag. Next time I'm in GRR I will spray your family directly.

I agree with Loafman, lets forget this moron, he needs to get back on his meds.

 

[Blue Dude]

Denver,

From your own site:

On Thursday, 12/18/03 at 4:49PM
66F degrees
27% humidity in the air
Location: Highway 6 and Richmond
Houston, Texas

What is the likely hood of jet contrails in Houston with the temp and humidity above? Nill

What you don't know about meteorology is boundless. A lot of people on this site have been trying to correct such ludicrous blanket statements, but I suppose you think you're onto something and won't be dissuaded. Maybe it hasn't occurred to you that the air at altitude doesn't have the same properties as the air measured at the surface at KPRC channel 2?

You fancy yourself of a scientific mind, so apply Occam's Razor to the problem. What is more likely: that you don't have all the facts and are simply misapplying half-learned basic theory, or we're all in on a vast conspiracy to dupe the American public? All of us, who differ mightily on everything else (airlines, politics, religion, etc.) are all in agreement on some cockeyed program to poison the public? The same public that we're a part of? Our families and children? Use your head, man.

 

[ms6073]

Re: daily statistics

Let me know what you think of them.

Devner130,

You know what, I also live in Houston and yesterday despite the fact that surface temps were in the 60's by late afternoon, this was not indicative of the winds and temps aloft which will have an impact on the longevity of aircraft contrails! According to the NOAA, yesterday, the weatherstation at Elington field reported the following surface conditions:

Time Date Temp DP Humidity Winds
5 PM (22) Dec 18 68 (20) 32 (0) 30.3 (1026) NW 8
4 PM (21) Dec 18 68 (20) 32 (0) 30.3 (1026) NNW 7

Did you realize that during that time the freezing level was between an altitiude of 12,000-15,000 feet? Also, during the time period you mentioned the winds aloft (30,000 - 300mb and higher) were not very active at only 30-50 kts. as the jetstream was well North of us! An area of high pressure was also forecast to move into the area during the day yesterday which will also effect the temperature lapse rate! All of this will have effected the aircraft contrails you so carefully captured in the images you linked to!

Here is a link to the Aviation Digital Data Service, a NOAA aviation specific website that offers some very good tools for analyzing and evaluating the prevailing weather - both at the surface and aloft. Next time you want to analyze one of these contrails, why not spend a few minutes looking at the weahter conditions - both at the surface and at altitude - so that you will better understand how weather can effect the overall stability of the atmosphere.

Finally, considering that Sugarland-Hull and Westside airports are not that far away from you, have you ever considered joining the club instead of simply sitting outside the clubhouse and throwing rocks to try and get the members attention?



Michael

 

[uscpilot]

Quit quoting some anynomus CAL pilot. -USCPILOT

The question is really this. Is the pilot reliable or not?

My answer is yes. Why?

No, he is not. The only proof that I will accept is verifyable altitude of the aircraft in question (not "gee wizz that plane sure is low, what's that hes leaving behind?? ), and the wind and temp aloft forcast (not the surface conditions, they are irrelivant).
Also realize that contrails are not a function of altitude, as you have been told a number of times. They occur only under the right temp and humidity conditions. You can count on these conditions existing at very high alt (30000' or greater), but that does not mean that they can not occur at much lower altitudes.
As I have said before I have never seen a trail anywhere near 10000' or below, and all of my flight experience is in this area. Why dont you rent a plane and fly up to these low altitude trails the next time you see them?
usc

 

[JetSpeed219]

Now, I know that there are ignorant people out there, but wow. Seriously this guy is rediculous and needs some help, I almost feel sorry for him........

 

[uscpilot]

Now, I know that there are ignorant people out there, but wow. Seriously this guy is rediculous and needs some help, I almost feel sorry for him........

I know what you mean. I keep telling myself to stop participating and maybe he will go away. But every time I see on of his moronic postings I just cant help my self. I liken it to staring at an accident on the highway, you know you shouldnt look but you just cant help your self. Not the best anology I know but the best I could come up with on short notice.
usc

 

[skyking1976]

Hey Denver130...

What's your viewpoint about religion?