CastofThousands

[B19 Flyer]

I can see that you did not pass debate class in school.

You leave out the management responsibility part of the equation all together. Management has to also agree to a union contract. They sign off on it just as the pilot union does.

Also, are you telling me that other types of business aren't affected by the economy?

If I had to guess I'd say you are exactly the type of micro managment person to ruin a perfectly good company.

That's funny you should see it that way. You seem to be the kind of union monger that would prefer to see the company fold if your personal greed can't be met and put everybody out of work rather than have the company be a productive part of the community.

I guess we have difference of opinion. All I know is that the non-union fracs keep chugging along and the union frac has lost millions of dollars and hundreds of jobs.

The bottom of the seniority list is unemployed, the top is making huge paychecks as they keep their jobs. Union protection? I don't think so.

I'll take my non-union way of life.

 

[B19 Flyer]

19,

How much PROFIT did your non-union carrier report for last year?

Have not missed a profit sharing check since I got out of companies with unions. No profit, no profit sharing check. All the union companies I worked for had profit sharing programs. I never once got a profit sharing check (pilots refused the check in the contract) and continually watched as bankruptcy seemed to always be looming because there was always union turmoil.

 

[B19 Flyer]

True dat, BF. The only companies that have a union are the ones that deserve it. If management would only treat their workforce fairly, there would be no catalyst for organizing. After working for many non-union companies and one union company, I felt much better in the union. Management is always an organized unit when it comes to employee relations. It only makes sense for pilots to have a unified voice also. The challenge for the unions is to operate in such a way that they reasonably protect employees from management without incurring necessary costs to the company. I was fortunate to work in an atmosphere in which those principles applied.

Right now, 1108 is actively trying to unionize just about every fractional out there whether they want it or not.

Please don't go saying that only companies that have a union deserve one, because of the ongoing active recruitment.

Also, it's a business. That's all unions are. They will take your money, promise you the world and not deliver the protection they offer in the end.

All the proof of this in the world is happening right now with the T/A at FLOPS and the furloughed pilots at NJ while the non-union fracs just keep chugging along. Need I say more?

 

[B19 Flyer]

only you can change it.

so what your saying is the pilots are to take it up the ass when management cant manage?

no wonder you get a union.

Broke, I am not in a union carrier. Being smarter than all of you, I made the choice to not let anybody speak for me or my career.

There is nothing I have to do anymore in regards to a union.. I escaped...

 

[gunfyter]

Never missed a profit sharing check? Really?

Not too many aviation companies have always had a profit ...

You wouldn't be telling lies to us now, would you?

 

[brokeflyer]

Broke, I am not in a union carrier. Being smarter than all of you, I made the choice to not let anybody speak for me or my career.

There is nothing I have to do anymore in regards to a union.. I escaped...

you're not smarter than me, I helped to write part 91k remember. I was a chief pilot at NW several years ago.

You are smart, but you have a loooooong way to go before you can claim to be near my intelligence level kid.

keep trying though, that is what will make you better some day.


but anyway, remember, only YOU can change things. You constantly complain about union but you dont do anything about it. Only YOU can change it.

think about it. Like i told skanza(he dont get it either) if i just give you the answer than you really didnt leanr anything.


think about it.

 

[BeenThereDoneIt]

Capitalization isn't your strong suit...LOL

 

[brokeflyer]

Capitalization isn't your strong suit...LOL

thanks, when this becomes a English composition topic related forum, then fine, ill start using my left pinky and take the extra effort.

 

[rajflyboy]

B19

You are so dumb that you are not even FUN to argue with!

Last I checked nearly every fractional has furloughed pilots. I guess you are too dumb to know that.

 

[barnyard]

There is a difference between leaving an "o" off a word because I'm still jet lagged and using a complete word twice with a different meaning. I'll admit to my error, I was wrong. I still would prefer he not program an FMS with me in the back.

Well I wouldn't want you setting my altitude alerter. Ever hear the story of the crew who left off an "o"? They went down in the everglades.

 

[glasspilot]

Ever hear the story of the crew who left off an "o"? They went down in the everglades.

I never heard that story...

Seeing as the Everglades are at FL000.15, I'm having a hard time seeing how that would work.

 

[B19 Flyer]

B19

You are so dumb that you are not even FUN to argue with!

Last I checked nearly every fractional has furloughed pilots. I guess you are too dumb to know that.

The operative word is "nearly". NJ will still be furloughing pilots while all the others are hiring.

 

[dime line]

The operative word is "nearly". NJ will still be furloughing pilots while all the others are hiring.

Yea, Avant they just fire you! sorry forgot that one.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Never missed a profit sharing check? Really?

Not too many aviation companies have always had a profit ...

You wouldn't be telling lies to us now, would you?

You need to read the post again gun... I stated I haven't missed a profit sharing check since working for non-union companies. I didn't say that I always worked for the same company. The theme however has been no union, profitable company, union.. no profits...

 

[B19 Flyer]

Yea, Avant they just fire you! sorry forgot that one.

That can happen anywhere Beavis (or is it Butthead?) But being #499 on the NJ furlough list doesn't exactly leave pleasant thoughts or anymore of a hopeful future, does it? Union workforces fire people too. The difference though that I've seen is that the grievance process will keep pilots flying that shouldn't.

 

[brokeflyer]

You need to read the post again gun... I stated I haven't missed a profit sharing check since working for non-union companies. I didn't say that I always worked for the same company. The theme however has been no union, profitable company, union.. no profits...

why are you complaining to line pilots about it? you dont like a union? then go change it. only YOU can do that.

from the sounds of your posts, you are probably just a line pilot that got his face slapped for doing something stupid.

If you are truly management, it shows an incredible lack of talent and class to come here post the stuff you post about. A true leader wouldn't do that.

When i wrote part 91k and designed the Saturn V rocket i had a lot of people that depended on me to a good job. I couldn't just "jump ship" and blame it on a union. I had a job to do. You middle managers have it a lot easier than I did. That probably why no one respects you, paid a lotta money for no talent. Sad, no wonder you get a union. Stop asking for one and they wont come on property.

 

[B19 Flyer]

you're not smarter than me, I helped to write part 91k remember. I was a chief pilot at NW several years ago.

You are smart, but you have a loooooong way to go before you can claim to be near my intelligence level kid.

keep trying though, that is what will make you better some day.


but anyway, remember, only YOU can change things. You constantly complain about union but you dont do anything about it. Only YOU can change it.

think about it. Like i told skanza(he dont get it either) if i just give you the answer than you really didnt leanr anything.


think about it.

Broke, on the best day of your career you effectively had to answer to me. There is no escaping that. Those that have all the answers like yourself are done leanring. That's why guys like me are needed to keep guys like you out of trouble.

 

[brokeflyer]

Broke, on the best day of your career you effectively had to answer to me. There is no escaping that. Those that have all the answers like yourself are done leanring. That's why guys like me are needed to keep guys like you out of trouble.

I wrote the regulations that keep your pilots safe. I had to spend hours upon hours writing regulation to prevent sh1t bag managers from crashing airplanes. Money is a very dangerous motivator. You should go get at least your private cert and you understand what I mean. Id be glad to help teach you, Pm me, but you need to drop the crappy attitude. I can get that from my grand kids.

You're welcome by the way.

 

[RP170]

B19 could be from Allegiant's management team. They have been profitable forever it seems and are non union. Interesting........or he could just be a liar which I find more likely to believe.

 

[rajflyboy]

B19 isn't bright enough to be a manager. I guess thats probably why he IS a manager.

He isn't very smart. He is dumb to the point that I won't even bother to argue with him anymore.