Can an AME accept documents from another doctor?

[UnAnswerd]

I have a color deficiency. I've always known it, but never gave it much thought untill learning that I'll be nailed with a night restriction on my medical certificate. That sucks....

My parents have these old medical books, and I decided to further research the disorder. The book showed a "card" with various dots of different colors. It then stated that the normal person could easily read numbers from the card. Much to my frustration, I couldn't discern any numbers!!!

Upon further research, I learned that there are 15 different vision tests the FAA will accept, and passing even one of them will lift the night restriction. I've also heard about the "light gun" test from the tower, but would rather not do this because of two reasons:

1. If you actually fail the light gun test, you CANNOT take any other test.

2. Even if you pass the test, the previous restriction still shows up on your medical. I heard something about this causing a problem with potential commercial flying.

So hopefully I can pass at least 1 of these 15 tests. However, I'd rather not get slapped with the restriction, then go for further testing, then mail the results to the FAA, and all that other BS. Would it be possible to consult a doctor BEFORE the medical exam??? Maybe get a written statement from this doctor that I have indeed passed such and such test? Would an AME accept this, and not nail me with the restriction?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

 

[NCGAPilot]

I think you need to ask yourself this one question "With this "restriction" will I be able to operate the aircraft SAFETLY in both daytime and night time?

 

[avbug]

If I understand your question correctly, you want to find a doctor who will say you have color vision, get him to write you a note, and hope that your AME will buy off on it. Forget it.

If you can demonstrate the same thing to your AME, fine.

Why stop there? Why not get some doctor to write a note that states "This guy's health is dandy and his heart is great. No need for further testing." Just bring that in, and skip the physical entirely.

 

[UnAnswerd]

If I understand your question correctly, you want to find a doctor who will say you have color vision, get him to write you a note, and hope that your AME will buy off on it.

Avbug, that is NOT what I'm talking about!!! I'm not trying to cheat the system by any means. The FAA will accept 1 of 15 different tests. The question was whether or not the AME would accept a statement beforehand, that I have passed a specific test.

Why stop there? Why not get some doctor to write a note that states "This guy's health is dandy and his heart is great. No need for further testing." Just bring that in, and skip the physical entirely.

You totally missed the point of my question. Understand that, the FAA does indeed accept these "notes" contesting that an individual has passed an alternative test. The question was whether or not this note would be valid BEFORE HAND, instead of after.

 

[UnAnswerd]

I think you need to ask yourself this one question "With this "restriction" will I be able to operate the aircraft SAFETLY in both daytime and night time?

The answer is yes. I can tell the difference between red and green. I have good vision otherwise, and know for sure that I can operate an aircraft safely day or night. Avbug on the other hand, would have you believe that I'm trying to cheat the system for personal gain....

 

[avbug]

Avbug on the other hand, would have you believe that I'm trying to cheat the system for personal gain....

Actually, those would be YOUR words, not mine.

A little testy, aren't we? Are you merely wanting to receive a specific answer? You appear ready to answer your own question, and quick to reject what you don't want to hear. Why did you bother to ask?

 

[UnAnswerd]

Are you merely wanting to receive a specific answer? You appear ready to answer your own question, and quick to reject what you don't want to hear.

I cannot answer my own question. That is why I asked for help. As far as "rejecting" what I don't want to hear.......show me the specific example within this thread. The only responce you've given thus far, essentially claims that I'm trying to "get around" a restriction by asking a doctor to write a fraudulent statement. I'm still trying to conceptualize how you drew that conclusion, but again, if you can site the specific text, you win.

Why did you bother to ask?

You know, that's starting to become a very good question.

 

[avbug]

The only responce you've given thus far, essentially claims that I'm trying to "get around" a restriction by asking a doctor to write a fraudulent statement. I'm still trying to conceptualize how you drew that conclusion, but again, if you can site the specific text, you win.

Once again, mate, I made no such assertion. That would be YOU. It was you that introduced the idea of fraudulent statements or acts here, not me.

Perhaps if you'd be a little less defensive you might get something useful. It's not your color vision that's a medical issue for you, it's your paranoia.

 

[UnAnswerd]

Once again, mate, I made no such assertion.

Are you kidding me??? Look here:

you want to find a doctor who will say you have color vision, get him to write you a note, and hope that your AME will buy off on it.

You made no such assertion?

Perhaps if you'd be a little less defensive you might get something useful.

Am I being defensive? Yes. But that is only in reaction to you being offensive.

It's not your color vision that's a medical issue for you, it's your paranoia.

Now I suffer from paranoia? Is that your best responce to conflicting exchanges??? Hell, even I went as far as to nicely point out the assertion that you insist you never made.

 

[TDTURBO]

Unanswered,

Don't worry about Avgod, he thinks he is a doctor now, he is a legend in his own mind. P.M. me and I will give you an AME that won't use the chart you describe and I will answer any medical questions you might have.


As far as accepting a note from another physician, it would all depend on the relationship that AME has with that Dr. If they did their residency with each other or worked together or even used each other for referrals it may or may not fly. There are many variables involved. I happen to know many AME's that do not use the color chart with numbers to evaluate color dicrimination but they do use othe types of testing. Make sure the doctor you are using to write the note has a professional relationship with the AME. Preferably an Opthomologist but not necessary.

 

[avbug]

You made no such assertion?

Yes, I made no such assertion. I made no insinuation of fraud. That was something, again, that YOU introduced.

Tdturbo the twit, who frequently responds with false allegations and fraudulent and libelous statements, here states that I think I am a medical doctor. Far from it. I made no such insinuations or assumptions. But I have undergone a helluva lot of flight physicals over the years. And I did stay at a holidy inn express last week.

TD, seeing as you've resurrected yourself from the dead, how about defending those allegations you made before...still waiting on you. You lied, you tried, and still waiting for you to attempt to redeem some degree of credibility after the stunt you pulled before. You deleted and edited out your comments after being called out...but not before it was all copied. I asked you then to put up or shut up. Still waiting for you to put up.

 

[TDTURBO]

You make me sad avgod, I made no false statements, I may have forgotten that I posted several months or years ago to there Student Pilot forums that had no bearing on jeopardizing anybodies safety. I do know one thing, that for you to abrasively comment on a legitament comment regarding a question regarding a medical in which you know nothing about I will be there to correct your inadequacies.

Just what is it you have a problem with when it comes to my posts?

As you clearly must remember, your colleague supported 100% as to my icing encounters or did you electively forget to read how that thread ended by a guy with a hell of a lot more experience than you proported to have. If you are so "worldly" why don't you give people a baseline on your qualifications instead of hiding behind your hrs as "N/A". You seem to butt in on things that you know little about and come across as a know it all, and I can tell you when it comes to giving advice on medical issues you should keep your trap shut since you are NOT a physician and never will be.

You were the one that put your foot in your mouth with your skydiving defense as well as the AG pilot defense, you are in no position to offer any advice regarding what unanswered should or shouldn’t do.

You have a lot to offer tp the aviation new-be's and I respect most of what you say but when you are wrong you are real wrong. If I were you I would stick to your rule book and follow it to the letter, who knows, you might be another statistic because your rules weigh more than any common sense that endure your actions, even if it kills you.

Aren’t you the one that stated flying through a thin layer of cloud in the winter is suicidal? With that statement alone it's obvious you never flow in the Midwest or would get a job. I would LMAO if you said that to an employer here in Chicago, you wouldn't get past the first 5 minutes of the interview, not to mention you are incompatible to work with, being your personality lends to a regular beating.

OH, HERE IS ANOTHER CLASSIC...............

oh, "

Skydiving dangerous"?

Spare me!

I could go on and on but you ain't worth the sweat off my nut sack.

I can't believe you even post here.

Don’t you get sick of living vicariously through other peoples accomplishments? Does it make you feel good to B.S. young impressionable pilots to empower you to a level of cyber greatness?

Nobody cares what you think, you are a has been, with old techniques that aren’t all relevant anymore.


Sure, I will give credit where cridit is due but 10% of the sh!t you spew out even shocks most of the people on this board.

I only feel sorry for you because you are in a thankless job and a dangerous one with no life, I guess I would be bitter too, but that’s no excuse to climb over any low time pilot to show your self righteous, egocentric attitude.

If the purpose that you frequent these boards is to educate the young inexperience pilots, I would strongly suggest you do it in a much less condescending manner, you might find you get a lot more reception to you ideas instead of people thinking your just a "know it all DICK!

 

[avbug]

Wow.

Impressive, green one.

Just what is it you have a problem with when it comes to my posts?

The answer to your question is rather simple. It's not so complicated after all, td. You're a bloody idiot.

That was quite a temper tantrum you threw there, son. Entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand, but impressive, none the less. Do you do parties?

 

[TDTURBO]

As far as using a fluid, any fluid except acid or anything caustic in your hydraulic line, that will save an overhaul. it is taught at all type specific systems and procedures courses across the nation. Why don't you tell 8000+ members that you now more than they do and their engineers, that just shows again how hyposynaptic you are.

For your information, this has been a known fact for several decades and is taught at the systems and procedures course by all type clubs run by Cessna engineers.

But being the nice guy that I am, I will let the all-knowing comment on how you would replenish lost hydraulic fluid in a R182. Please AVGOD, enlighten us on how you would do this without any fluid, oil or anything else resembling hydraulic fluid to pump the gear down.



I am waiting.....................IDIOT!

 

[avbug]

This from the man who just last night told a private pilot web board to carry a litre bottle in the cockpit to fill with urine in order to extend the landing gear in an emergency?

You're more fun that putting fireflies in a mason jar and shaking it up. A bloody idiot, but a lot of fun.

 

[TDTURBO]

That just shows Again how hyposynaptic you are.

For your information, this has been a known fact for several decades and is taught at the systems and proceedures course by all type clubs run by Cessna engineers.

But being the nice guy that I am, I will let the all-knowing comment on how you would replenish lost hydrolic fluid in a R182. Please AVGOD, enlighten us on how you would do this without any fluid, oil or anything else resembling hydrolic fluid to pump the gear down.


I am waiting.....................IDIOT!

 

[avbug]

Hyposynwhat? Would you mind using that in a sentence? After all, I'm but a humble pilot.

Hydrolic? Try hydraulic. You don't want the wrath of TonyC raining down upon your spelling.

I just wanna know if you routinely fill that litre bottle when you pump your gear down using urine. You must be uncomfortable most of the time in the air. (I know I'm certainly uncomfortable knowing you're in the air, as I would imagine most people who read your posts are).

You might take time to reflecton the fact that if your hydraulic system dribbled out enough fluid to make the gear inoperable...adding urine means it's going to dribble out enough urine to make the gear inoperable, too. What a waste. I imagine you fly with a giant diaper wrapped around your fuselage, then? Perhaps a case of Depends stuffed under the floorboards? You do enough dribbling for everyone, and you're a lot more entertaining, too.

You can be so much more. More than just fun, you can be educational, too. I'd really love it if you'd use hyposynaptic in a sentence with a few words of expaination as to what it all means. Keep up the good work there, brightspark.

 

[TDTURBO]

I would be happy to try to educate an individual that has congenital hydroencephalus with contaminant hyposynapsism. This is a condition with water on the brain with a concurrent underdeveloped synaptic junctions causing early dementia and disease. Kinda like you AVBUG, don't you think?

That in combination with your egocentric borderline personality traits make for ultimate entertainment, please continue with your self-proclaimed wisdom so we can all learn how to have 10 engine failures and never use the radio to call out an emergency, because we all know that doing so wouldn't get help to the burning carnage any faster.

I don't know if you have a large head, (macro encephalon with associated hydroencephalus), but I bet you probably do.

If you are mentally challenged enough not to know of the techniques that are described above in my previous post, then I doubt you would have a clue on how to manage a SLOW leak in a hydraulic line. Stick to what you know, reading from the FAA publications and then copy and pasting them on the forums. Anything else that may tax your Grey Matter might just cause you lenticular striate to rupture.

Oh, that's a type of stroke in case you missed that part in med school.

 

[avbug]

So, ah, what does hyposynaptic mean, then?

 

[TDTURBO]

HYPO= less than or under developed
Synapatic= space between an Axon and a dendrite which makes up a junction between two nerves.



Get it?


Don't worry, you won't find those words in your collection of Harry Potters books.