CAL DEN and ORD bases???

[Uncle Bort]

These bases won't happen until a JCBA. If the company wants them bad enough, maybe it will be motivation to finally negotiate.

 

[list2002]

Well, according to Cpt. X a JCBA is NOT necessary after December 31st. And ALPA has no say in the matter per the definition of "parties." Another oversight? Every "trump card" ALPA seems to have up it's negotiating sleeve seems to dissolve when said time occurs. Cpt. Moak said "the past is the past" but ALPA's past at CAL sure shows a trend. Granted this is my first contract to go through here, and under complicated circumstances, but I don't think I'm alone in saying ALPA's a## is really on the line with this one.

 

[ATRCA]

These bases won't happen until a JCBA. If the company wants them bad enough, maybe it will be motivation to finally negotiate.

Wrong. They will happen.

 

[densoo]

Posted by Uncle Bort
These bases won't happen until a JCBA. If the company wants them bad enough, maybe it will be motivation to finally negotiate.

Wrong. They will happen.

And they still won't negotiate.

 

[Uncle Bort]

Is 47 yrs old to late to apply to SWA?

 

[whatitdoing?]

A JCBA isn't required to open new bases after the Transition Agreement expires at the end of this year. Another blunder from ALPA....along with Profit Sharing....and more to come.

 

[list2002]

Whatitdoing, the past is the past, come on now.

 

[mamba20]

I can't wait to get ALPO off the property. Theyve done NOTHING but hurt pilots.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Not entirely correct:

Section 13
Termination of this Transition and Process Agreement
13-A. Partial Termination. Unless the Parties agree otherwise, the Airline Parties may jointly terminate the provisions of Sections 4-D (Domiciles), 7-A (Furlough with regard to United Pilots only), 7-C (Flying Ratios), 7-D (Domicile and Base Protection), and 9 (ALPA Travel), individually or collectively, at any time on or after December 31, 2011, if the parties have not reached a tentative agreement on a JCBA by that date.
​

Section 1​

Definitions used in this Transition and Process Agreement
1-C. Airline Party. Continental, UAL, United.
1-S. Party. An Airline Party or ALPA.

So, how does UAL announce the opening of a new base?

 

[densoo]

So, how does UAL announce the opening of a new base?

They already showed up on CAL pilots' BES bid screen--for about an hour. Last time that happened was Jan for LAX. Had crews in there by May. This time it was 737s in Chicago and Denver.

 

[Shrek]

I can't wait to get ALPO off the property. Theyve done NOTHING but hurt pilots.

ALPA will be here. Start cleaning house to improve it.

 

[Jetjockey]

More cross hub flying....check out the schedule changes coming up. Looks like the rumor has some truth to it.

 

[densoo]

Jan bid packets come out next week so that may show some post-TPA stuff.

 

[Jetjockey]

Found this on another site: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5314616/


Latest route changes, additions in the 11/25/2011 OAG:
[FONT=ARIAL,]
[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL,]CO DEN-ANC
CO DEN-BWI
CO DEN-LGA
CO DEN-PHL
CO DEN-PHX
CO DEN-TPA[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL,]CO IAD-DEN
CO IAD-PHX
CO IAD-SEA
CO IAD-TPA[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL,]CO LAX-BOS
CO LAX-BWI
[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL,]CO ORD-ANC
CO ORD-DCA
CO ORD-DEN
[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL,]CO ORD-LAS
CO ORD-LAX
CO ORD-MCO
CO ORD-SEA
CO ORD-SNA
CO ORD-STT
[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL,]CO SFO-ANC
CO SFO-ANC
CO SFO-BOS
[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL,]CO SFO-DEN
[/FONT][FONT=ARIAL,]CO SFO-LAX
CO SFO-PDX
CO SFO-PHX
CO SFO-SEA
[/FONT]
[FONT=ARIAL,]
[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Arial][SIZE=-1][FONT=ARIAL,]UA CLE-MCO [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Arial][SIZE=-1][FONT=ARIAL,]UA EWR-LAS
UA EWR-MCO
UA EWR-MIA
UA EWR-SAT
UA EWR-SEA
UA EWR-SNA
UA EWR-SXM[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Arial][SIZE=-1][FONT=ARIAL,]UA IAH-ATL
UA IAH-BOS
UA IAH-DCA
UA IAH-DEN
UA IAH-DTW
UA IAH-EWR
UA IAH-IAD
UA IAH-LAS
UA IAH-LGA
UA IAH-PDX
UA IAH-PHL
UA IAH-PHX
UA IAH-SEA[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Arial][SIZE=-1][FONT=ARIAL,]
[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Helvetica,Arial][SIZE=-1][FONT=ARIAL,]UA LAX-CLE[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

 

[Flopgut]

Just read the memo stating the Continental call sign ends December 1. That is going to be weird....

 

[whatitdoing?]

Whatitdoing, the past is the past, come on now.

I can't tell you how many times I'm heard that.

 

[list2002]

What page is this one from... ah, here: "Miracle Lure"
http://aviation-digest.blogspot.com/2011/12/is-united-airlines-warming-up-to-airbus.html?spref=fb

 

[densoo]

Different CPs in ground school this week said they're about 2/3 through the UAL furlough list and expect to exhaust volunteers from that list and then moving right into off-the-street hiring after that.

 

[Snaab]

Any idea when the off-the-street hiring would happen? Also, have negotiations improved lately for a JCBA?

 

[densoo]

They didn't say anything more than that. It would start when they've exhausted the UAL furlough list. The first ones started training in Oct I believe, they're 2/3 way through now, so I'd think mid-year. Just a guess. They might be required go through the UAL list a second time though.

JCBA is at a standstill on the scheduling section, although there are rumors it is moving since the FAA rest rules cames out. The company returned the latest proposal back to union on Wednesday. Should hear today or next week whether it's a serious counter or just more of the same rope-a-dope.

 

[densoo]

Friday, 20 jan

FROM THE CHAIRMAN
Next week, your MEC will be meeting in IAH for two days to receive briefings from the Negotiating Committee on the status of negotiations and movement made by management in their latest Scheduling turn. We will also be briefed by the Alliance Committee on Scope issues and by Don Wycoff (ALPA FTDT Chairman) and Mike Hynes on the new flight time, duty time regulations. These are areas we believe to be especially timely for the strategic planning session we intend to hold during the meeting. Preparing for these meetings is a bit of a task, so I want to thank our dedicated staff here in the office for putting everything together so that the MEC’s time can be productive. We will conclude business on Wednesday, Jan. 25, in time for the MEC to participate in the Family Awareness event in The Woodlands. I hope you can make it to The Main Event with your family to spend time with fellow pilots and talk to your elected reps and officers.

This week, as last, I worked with UAL MEC Chairman Capt. Jay Heppner in our efforts to extend the Transition and Process Agreement, for the benefit of both CAL and UAL pilots. If you recall, this is a continuation of discussions with management that hit a roadblock at the end of last year. Much of the obstruction has been cleared and we are making some progress, although there is still work to do. Dealing with base and domicile contraction and expansion is not easy in the simplest of times. Dealing with those issues and considering the interests of two separate pilot groups (operations remain separate until the JCBA is done) adds even more complexity. I cannot yet forecast how this is going to turn out, but I can say that all parties are working diligently to find a way to perform the flying the Company desires in a way that works for all of our pilots. Until this project is resolved, successfully or otherwise, management has indicated that the anticipated system bid will not be published. Of course, there is only so much delay that Manpower Planning can tolerate, so I expect an outcome soon.

Finally this week, our Scope experts continue to work with their counterparts from the UAL MEC on issues related to compliance with both of our CBA Scope sections as we approach the point where both UAL and CAL use a single IATA code. As intricate as some of the past Scope disputes have been, they pale in comparison to the complexity of this project. Working jointly with our UAL counterparts is important to success for both pilot groups.

JNC
The JNC received the package proposal on the Scheduling sections (5, 20 and 22) from management this week as part of the process previously recommended by the mediator. Our assessment of management’s proposal has begun, but the proposal is complex, made more so by the intervening passage of Part 117 of the FARs, some portions of which the parties understand differently. Next week, when we are not in meetings with our respective MECs, we will continue our evaluation of the proposal and work toward a response. Our initial assessment is that management’s proposal made significant progress over prior proposals, but also that important obstacles remain before an agreement in principle on these sections can be reached.

The JNC and our Scheduling SMEs will continue negotiations with management in Denver on Monday Jan. 30, 2012.

 

[bluefin]

They didn't say anything more than that. It would start when they've exhausted the UAL furlough list. The first ones started training in Oct I believe, they're 2/3 way through now, so I'd think mid-year. Just a guess. They might be required go through the UAL list a second time though.

JCBA is at a standstill on the scheduling section, although there are rumors it is moving since the FAA rest rules cames out. The company returned the latest proposal back to union on Wednesday. Should hear today or next week whether it's a serious counter or just more of the same rope-a-dope.

Not true, 30% is probably a better number, I am at the 2/3 point and have not been offered anything yet, and probably will not be offered anything this year.

 

[densoo]

Not true, 30% is probably a better number, I am at the 2/3 point and have not been offered anything yet, and probably will not be offered anything this year.

Bluefin and others, I am truly sorry if I've been inaccurate. I've been furloughed and know how important accurate info is in the ebb and flow of hoping to get back. I had heard they'd been through nearly 1,000 guys.

All indications here are that the training pipeline will be open for quite sometime so I certainly hope you get called this year, preferably by summer.

 

[Andy]

Not true, 30% is probably a better number, I am at the 2/3 point and have not been offered anything yet, and probably will not be offered anything this year.

According to the last furlough letter, the junior furloughee offered a job at LCAL was #4 in the 4 Jun 00 class. That would leave another 607 not contacted yet.

I'm watching for the latest LCAL vacancy bid; that will likely influence whether or not there is more hiring/classes this spring. Densoo's email from Pierce confirms what I expected; the vacancy bid is being held up by negotiations over 737 DEN/ORD and A320 IAH basing. Allowing those aircraft to be domiciled in those bases is manpower positive; unfortunately, it looks like UALALPA will be a job killer.
The latest rumor that I've got from IAH is that they'll probably have another 50 hires in class prior to summer. If that's the case, job offers will probably go through the entire 10 Sep 00 class, leaving less than 400 furloughees not yet offered a job.
Even if there are no more classes until September, all furloughees should be offered a class date no later than the end of Jan 2013. That's based on my calculations; take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

The company is short not by 50 pilots but by hundreds. Each 787 is 40 pilots. 6 787s is giong to be 240 and thats just the 787. The first one comes in June/July with 1 per month thereafter. 19 737s. Right now they have 2% reserve coverage at CAL. The company is way short at both UAL and CAL. It's going to get very ugly. They know the train wreck was coming and have chosen to get run over. No JCBA, way short manpower and summer is approaching...LOL, stupid idiots.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

To clarify. Way short when summer arrives.

 

[densoo]

They get through busy periods by offering time and a half to line pilots, putting sim instructors back on the line temporarily, and building monthly schedules in the 90s. Beyond that they'll start flying management pilots to plug holes and assign trips non-voluntarily to line pilots who haven't hit FAR limits.

It's predictable and it's ugly--and it's no surprise. This is how they run the operation in summer, spring breaks, Christmas, and the "known unknown" snowstorm and thunderstorm. While the schedule degrades throughout the day and there's a lot of chaos, late arrivals, and misconnects, they seem to muddle through with "this is beyond our control." On the rare occasion that it gets media attention they'll falsely blame it on pilot sick calls.

It is planned this way and it is their business model, and they're trying to make it yours.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

I remember the summer of love 2000.

 

[bizicmo]

From what I've heard. Every summer we are told we are properly staff and we see what that's like. Now this year they have said this summer is going to be rough, straight from mr Fox's mouth. Great!

 

[list2002]

Hopefully we are all aware and willing to exercise our fatigue calls. And NO whoring out to jr. manning. We were net reserves ZERO the middle of January, summer is going to be brutal.