CAL 08-08 System Bid Results

[Flopgut]

Hey Flopgut, where's the Avatar?

As far as being in Real Estate... my Aunt does that, big Lake Homes, multi-million dollar properties, and has been having a TERRIBLE time of it lately. Everyone's hurting, except the MBA's, Corporate Lawyers and, of course, Senators/Congressmen or Sports/Music/Movie stars.

I'm in the market for one...has to be real special.

You know what I mean, no amount of real due dillegence would lead an intelligent person to this line of work?!

 

[Lear70]

Not now... I agree. If I knew then what I know now, I'd have probably taken Vandy up on their scholarship ride for Law School...

 

[Flopgut]

"Hopefully this next contract will emliminate the ability for junior pilots to hold ANY CA position by making it much more attractive for senior pilots to bid CA. I posted some of the results in another thread."

Above is an example of what I'm talking about. That's one of our EWR guys characterizing our negotiating efforts from the 23 months to Captain award thread. In his mind's eye, somebody can't do better if another member doesn't get "eliminated" from something. Somebody has to get flatspotted at CAL and it's the MEMBERS that do it! I don't dislike this guy, he's trying at least?! But they've got nothing to go on, no past success to look to or build on. That's sad, but not NEARLY as sad as the fact that when they have the chance to shut up and listen/learn something all they do is toot their own horn.

 

[AWACoff]

The past success we have to build on is the new blood at the company. I and others have come from regionals who have gone on strike or nearly did. I had my picket sign in hand with my car running when the N.C. called the strike center in ATW and asked for 10 more minutes past the deadline. We have Comair pilots here who walked the line. The vast majority of us came from companies with contracts that far surpassed what we have at CAL (based on number of seats vs. W2). I fully intend to press our N.C. for real trip rigs and duty rigs. PBS can be fixed by implementing strong contractual language. There is no secret here. Either the negotiating commitee presents a real T.A. or the newest 25% of the pilot group is going to vote no. The current contract is bad but we will be able to build of of other's success.

 

[Flopgut]

If you're talking to a NC, and you are at all enthused, you aren't talking to the CAL NC. I talk to JP pretty often, and I have yet to hang up the phone encouraged. (You get almost the same sensation when you talk to anybody in contract compliance or even the safety committee BTW) You been talking to them lately? Seriously, if you have anything good to report, I'd love to hear about it. Darth Prater hosed us all on the age 65 thing with Snake's help and that's about all they seem to care about. New blood is the whole reason I've wanted age 60 to stay in place, but we need it to kick in PDQ!

 

[Double Shot]

Hey Flop,

On a good note I hear J.T. is gone.

 

[Ex737Driver]

"Hopefully this next contract will emliminate the ability for junior pilots to hold ANY CA position by making it much more attractive for senior pilots to bid CA. I posted some of the results in another thread."

Above is an example of what I'm talking about. That's one of our EWR guys characterizing our negotiating efforts from the 23 months to Captain award thread. In his mind's eye, somebody can't do better if another member doesn't get "eliminated" from something. Somebody has to get flatspotted at CAL and it's the MEMBERS that do it! I don't dislike this guy, he's trying at least?! But they've got nothing to go on, no past success to look to or build on. That's sad, but not NEARLY as sad as the fact that when they have the chance to shut up and listen/learn something all they do is toot their own horn.

I said it. I'm not eliminating anyone from this contract. My statement simply pointed to the fact that there is currently no viable reason for a senior moderatley senior 777 FO to bid 737 CA. There is no substantial pay increase, no increase in days off, no schedule improvement, no perks that would make it any better and what you currently enjoy. The same can be said for most seats and equipment at CAL. I want to see every pilot acheive their respective goals on this contract and one of the results from having that achieved is junior pilots will not be able to hold second or third year captain. Is this eliminating anyone? No. It simply means that as a company and a pilot group, we move into a contract that we should have in 10 years ago. Do we have a stellar track record? No. There were so many reasons in the past that kept us from being where we want to be, it's hard for us to see where we need to be. I do believe we have a good negoitiating team and a pilot group not constrained by an "A" fund.

 

[Ex737Driver]

If you're talking to a NC, and you are at all enthused, you aren't talking to the CAL NC. I talk to JP pretty often, and I have yet to hang up the phone encouraged. (You get almost the same sensation when you talk to anybody in contract compliance or even the safety committee BTW) You been talking to them lately? Seriously, if you have anything good to report, I'd love to hear about it. Darth Prater hosed us all on the age 65 thing with Snake's help and that's about all they seem to care about. New blood is the whole reason I've wanted age 60 to stay in place, but we need it to kick in PDQ!

If you actually think John was the sole reason for age 65 being implemented, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. As for J not being encouraging, I was less than happy when J was selected as the chairman. I will still support the NC and J unless it becomes apparent that doing so would not be in our pilot groups best intrest.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

I doubt she's 300 pounds.

She's probably thin, hot, and completely a waste because of her attitude.

You got that right.

But sorry, I'm married. Better luck next time.:smash:

 

[Lear70]

You got that right.

But sorry, I'm married. Better luck next time.:smash:

So am I, genius...

To a woman who doesn't have that "I'm all that" attitude to go with it, although she easily could have.

She actually GREW UP after her sorority days. Maybe there's a LESSON in there somewhere for you?

Just a thought...