CAL 08-08 System Bid Results

[Flopgut]

Hey Flopgut, where's the Avatar?

As far as being in Real Estate... my Aunt does that, big Lake Homes, multi-million dollar properties, and has been having a TERRIBLE time of it lately. Everyone's hurting, except the MBA's, Corporate Lawyers and, of course, Senators/Congressmen or Sports/Music/Movie stars.

I'm in the market for one...has to be real special.

You know what I mean, no amount of real due dillegence would lead an intelligent person to this line of work?!

 

[Lear70]

Not now... I agree. If I knew then what I know now, I'd have probably taken Vandy up on their scholarship ride for Law School...

 

[Flopgut]

"Hopefully this next contract will emliminate the ability for junior pilots to hold ANY CA position by making it much more attractive for senior pilots to bid CA. I posted some of the results in another thread."

Above is an example of what I'm talking about. That's one of our EWR guys characterizing our negotiating efforts from the 23 months to Captain award thread. In his mind's eye, somebody can't do better if another member doesn't get "eliminated" from something. Somebody has to get flatspotted at CAL and it's the MEMBERS that do it! I don't dislike this guy, he's trying at least?! But they've got nothing to go on, no past success to look to or build on. That's sad, but not NEARLY as sad as the fact that when they have the chance to shut up and listen/learn something all they do is toot their own horn.

 

[AWACoff]

The past success we have to build on is the new blood at the company. I and others have come from regionals who have gone on strike or nearly did. I had my picket sign in hand with my car running when the N.C. called the strike center in ATW and asked for 10 more minutes past the deadline. We have Comair pilots here who walked the line. The vast majority of us came from companies with contracts that far surpassed what we have at CAL (based on number of seats vs. W2). I fully intend to press our N.C. for real trip rigs and duty rigs. PBS can be fixed by implementing strong contractual language. There is no secret here. Either the negotiating commitee presents a real T.A. or the newest 25% of the pilot group is going to vote no. The current contract is bad but we will be able to build of of other's success.

 

[Flopgut]

If you're talking to a NC, and you are at all enthused, you aren't talking to the CAL NC. I talk to JP pretty often, and I have yet to hang up the phone encouraged. (You get almost the same sensation when you talk to anybody in contract compliance or even the safety committee BTW) You been talking to them lately? Seriously, if you have anything good to report, I'd love to hear about it. Darth Prater hosed us all on the age 65 thing with Snake's help and that's about all they seem to care about. New blood is the whole reason I've wanted age 60 to stay in place, but we need it to kick in PDQ!

 

[Double Shot]

Hey Flop,

On a good note I hear J.T. is gone.

 

[Ex737Driver]

"Hopefully this next contract will emliminate the ability for junior pilots to hold ANY CA position by making it much more attractive for senior pilots to bid CA. I posted some of the results in another thread."

Above is an example of what I'm talking about. That's one of our EWR guys characterizing our negotiating efforts from the 23 months to Captain award thread. In his mind's eye, somebody can't do better if another member doesn't get "eliminated" from something. Somebody has to get flatspotted at CAL and it's the MEMBERS that do it! I don't dislike this guy, he's trying at least?! But they've got nothing to go on, no past success to look to or build on. That's sad, but not NEARLY as sad as the fact that when they have the chance to shut up and listen/learn something all they do is toot their own horn.

I said it. I'm not eliminating anyone from this contract. My statement simply pointed to the fact that there is currently no viable reason for a senior moderatley senior 777 FO to bid 737 CA. There is no substantial pay increase, no increase in days off, no schedule improvement, no perks that would make it any better and what you currently enjoy. The same can be said for most seats and equipment at CAL. I want to see every pilot acheive their respective goals on this contract and one of the results from having that achieved is junior pilots will not be able to hold second or third year captain. Is this eliminating anyone? No. It simply means that as a company and a pilot group, we move into a contract that we should have in 10 years ago. Do we have a stellar track record? No. There were so many reasons in the past that kept us from being where we want to be, it's hard for us to see where we need to be. I do believe we have a good negoitiating team and a pilot group not constrained by an "A" fund.

 

[Ex737Driver]

If you're talking to a NC, and you are at all enthused, you aren't talking to the CAL NC. I talk to JP pretty often, and I have yet to hang up the phone encouraged. (You get almost the same sensation when you talk to anybody in contract compliance or even the safety committee BTW) You been talking to them lately? Seriously, if you have anything good to report, I'd love to hear about it. Darth Prater hosed us all on the age 65 thing with Snake's help and that's about all they seem to care about. New blood is the whole reason I've wanted age 60 to stay in place, but we need it to kick in PDQ!

If you actually think John was the sole reason for age 65 being implemented, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. As for J not being encouraging, I was less than happy when J was selected as the chairman. I will still support the NC and J unless it becomes apparent that doing so would not be in our pilot groups best intrest.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

I doubt she's 300 pounds.

She's probably thin, hot, and completely a waste because of her attitude.

You got that right.

But sorry, I'm married. Better luck next time.:smash:

 

[Lear70]

You got that right.

But sorry, I'm married. Better luck next time.:smash:

So am I, genius...

To a woman who doesn't have that "I'm all that" attitude to go with it, although she easily could have.

She actually GREW UP after her sorority days. Maybe there's a LESSON in there somewhere for you?

Just a thought...

 

[Flopgut]

Hey Flop,

On a good note I hear J.T. is gone.

Yup! Long gone....and there was much rejoicing!

 

[Flopgut]

If you actually think John was the sole reason for age 65 being implemented, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. As for J not being encouraging, I was less than happy when J was selected as the chairman. I will still support the NC and J unless it becomes apparent that doing so would not be in our pilot groups best intrest.

He was the sole reason ALPA changed their stance, and Snake helped him do it!

I know you're trying and you want to see everybody do better. I'm trying to point out that our problem is more than semantics, it's the overall sentiment. Precious few at CAL know anything about helping out the entire group. Every pilot wants to help out the whole (claims to), but when it gets down to the nut cuttin, CAL pilots accept less than great agreements. Usually because some faction helps themselves to more than their fair share.

I've been calling the office lately. We were suppose to get a comprehensive financial analysis of what age 65 would mean to the CAL pilot group. It didn't get done and no one is talking about it anymore. I think Snake stopped it cold. It's time the new blood step in and say something! Snake trashed the majority CAL pilot opinion and voted with Darth Prater and no ones gotten tough with him! Ask for an explanation out of him, or ask to be assured he won't do the same thing in the future on another issue and see how he responds! He's going to do it again in negotiating this time if CAL pilots don't start calling down there and raise he!!.

 

[Powda5]

Glad I sidestepped this train wreck.

How bad must the QoL be to bid back down to gear jerker, instead of Captain.

Sounds like a great place to be.

NOT! LOL

Actually, there is a difference between sidestepping and being TOLD to go away.

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

What does a narrow body Capt position pay?

Just curious; probably would have been a 12/00 hire but was 11 months into my DAL career and still another bid or two from Captain here.

I was caught up in the 99/00 pool (pooled in 3/99) when the CoEx folks were moved in to mainline and finally oofered a class in the Fall of 2000.

We'll see in 2028 if I really made the right decision....

 

[geshields]

What does a narrow body Capt position pay?

Just curious; probably would have been a 12/00 hire but was 11 months into my DAL career and still another bid or two from Captain here.

I was caught up in the 99/00 pool (pooled in 3/99) when the CoEx folks were moved in to mainline and finally oofered a class in the Fall of 2000.

We'll see in 2028 if I really made the right decision....

SNB(short narrow body, 737-300, 737-500 and 737-700) $136.74/hr and LNB(long narrow body, 737-800, 737-900, 737-900ER) $155.24

These are all year 4 figures. As a reserve captain it is 76 hours time blended rate $144.99 or actual hrs flown times each aircraft's pay rate, whichever is higher...

 

[jbDC9]

Here's an example of just how stupid and self absorbed this skank is; someone slams her with this;

She's probably thin, hot, and completely a waste because of her attitude.

And she responds with this;

You got that right.

Yep, Pocono is such an idiot she agrees with a statement that slams her as being a waste. Moron.

 

[whymeworry?]

But sorry, I'm married. .:smash:

HA! Like that would stop someone like you.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

Here's an example of just how stupid and self absorbed this skank is; someone slams her with this;


And she responds with this;



Yep, Pocono is such an idiot she agrees with a statement that slams her as being a waste. Moron.

WhatEver! JB.

You know exactly what I meant to say. LOL

Goofball. :laugh:

 

[TheBaron]

Im not trying to say anyones right or wrong here.

I guess we all know when we hit 60. Or 65, assuming we don't die first.

You must be a "glass is half empty" kind of guy. I can't believe someone complains about the easiest job on the planet. Complaining that you're going to make $135k as soon as you finish probation! You Subic guys have easy trips; usually 1 leg to a hotel and then back....wow rough job. Maybe if you didn't spend so much energy chasing the LBFM's you could handle it. I voted "NO" on the LOA but it passed anyway. Doesn't mean my fellow crewmembers don't have my back; just that we have different ideas about what is best for the group. Shouldn't be an issue for you. Bid the MD-11 and you'll be safe.
You apparently made the wrong decision. Scurry back to CAL, we have enough whiners.

 

[EWR_FO]

1:40 between Nippi and Nubda? You might want to bump it up a little.

 

[TheBaron]

1:40 between Nippi and Nubda? You might want to bump it up a little.

That time was from the winter against the wind at .83 or .84
I haven't paid much attention lately but I'm doing R220 twice in the next 10 days so I'll update the times.
:beer:

 

[CAL EWR B737]

WhatEver! JB.

You know exactly what I meant to say. LOL

Goofball. :laugh:

Don't listen to anything this male pilot (who pretends to be a girl) has to say.

He monitors CAL FORUMS a restricted forum for CAL/Xjet pilots. He is a Xjet pilot that the majority of those who fly with him hate flying along side.

He is very bitter he got turned down by CAL. I can understand feeling just about everyone has gone though a similar experience but you don't see them acting like this individual. Seeing how he acts with his derogatory comments about CAL shows his maturity level is one of a 13 year old. We at CAL are very lucky we will never have to fly with this immature bitter person.

I highly recommend you ignore this individual and he will go away.

 

[TheBaron]

1:40 between Nippi and Nubda? You might want to bump it up a little.

OK. Fixed it. Winds were a lot lighter today.
:beer:

 

[AV80R]

...Or even UPS or SWA when they start hiring again.

Wasn't aware we stopped hiring at UPS?

True, the application window was closed for some 30 days but it is open again and there’ve been a new class every 2-3 weeks or so.

 

[Lear70]

Wasn't aware we stopped hiring at UPS?

True, the application window was closed for some 30 days but it is open again and there’ve been a new class every 2-3 weeks or so.

I applied when the window first opened a year or so ago, and just last week I received an email back saying:

"Thank you for your application, but this position has been filled."

WTF?

 

[AV80R]

I applied when the window first opened a year or so ago, and just last week I received an email back saying:

"Thank you for your application, but this position has been filled."

WTF?

Sorry about the application confusion; the way I understand it, the computer application itself is actually handled by another company which follows the criteria UPS submits to them. For example, until recently – transoceanic experience was a requirement but it is not anymore with the “new” application window! (Aug 15th). I was told that each time the window re-opens one would have to re-apply (in other words the applications in the system would be purged). Apparently that’s not the case as some pilots who’re trying to apply got the message their application was already on file. My suggestion is for your sponsor to call the HR and check up on your file and your status. That’s probably the safest bet of finding out exactly what’s going on…

 

[Lear70]

Sponsor?

What's that?

Maybe that's why my phone never rang.

Seriously, thanks for the info. Haven't updated it, trying to put my energy into AAI right now. Still think this place could be fantastic, and wouldn't go anywhere else except Brown or Purple. I'm one of those "odd" people who like night freight and no people.

And yes, before everyone else jumps in, I'm "odd" for other reasons. Bunch of smarta*ses on this board...

 

[AV80R]

Sponsor?

What's that?

Maybe that's why my phone never rang.

Seriously, thanks for the info. Haven't updated it, trying to put my energy into AAI right now. Still think this place could be fantastic, and wouldn't go anywhere else except Brown or Purple. I'm one of those "odd" people who like night freight and no people.

And yes, before everyone else jumps in, I'm "odd" for other reasons. Bunch of smarta*ses on this board...

Sounds like you’re in the same position I was in not too long ago. I know that had I stayed at AAI I’d have enjoyed my career because I think it's a great company and the pilot group there is top notch.

Having said that, I don’t regret switching to Brown whatsoever, in fact I’m quite happy here. Good luck with your contract and your decisions in the future.

Btw. I fly mainly day schedules and I do like people.

 

[Stump]

Junior Line Holders

Based on these system bid results, what is the DOH of the most junior line holders? If I understand the undercurrent of opinion, that 13 Sep 05 EWR 73 CA will be sitting reserve for a very long time. Am I correct in that assumption? Thanks in advance.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Yes........