Brian Wilson Endorses The ASA Coalition!

[FightingIrish]

Newie is appointed to the MEC chairman position by the 4 voting members of the MEC. This election is not to elect the MEC chairman. Newie will remain MEC chairman.

As far as the other two go, why not ask them? I am sure that their telephone numbers are available!

Yes but Newie is also the Cpts rep. It bothers me that 3 of the members aren't even running for re-election. 4+ years into this mess and 3 of the MEC members aren't running for re-election. No matter what, you are going to get 3 new members.

 

[PCL_128]

Yes but Newie is also the Cpts rep. It bothers me that 3 of the members aren't even running for re-election. 4+ years into this mess and 3 of the MEC members aren't running for re-election. No matter what, you are going to get 3 new members.

It would be highly unusual for the MEC Chairman of an airline the size of ASA to also run for Captain Rep. The workload of the MEC Chairman is simply too much to do both jobs.

 

[FightingIrish]

It would be highly unusual for the MEC Chairman of an airline the size of ASA to also run for Captain Rep. The workload of the MEC Chairman is simply too much to do both jobs.

I agree, but when he assumed the position of MEC Chairman there was an LEC meeting scheduled to elect an interim Capt. rep. to replace him. At the last minute, it was cancelled and he put out a letter saying that he thought it was better to remain in office during this critical time of negotiations. There were rumors that there were some people trying to run to replace him, but the meeting was cancelled so he could stay in office. Now 3 of the 4 aren't running and nothing has changed.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Of the 4 voting members of the MEC, 1 is now the MEC Chairman, 2 are running again, and the fouth is going to LAX so won't be a member of Council 112.

 

[HoserASA]

I have to laugh at this group of 4. Lynn actually confronted me in ops awhile back and told me to my face she had no intention of running. I voted for Lynn's coalition before, and unfortunately have come to regret doing so. JB doesn't do the job I helped elect him to, and Lynn got into a disagreement with Bob and resigned. Barry, I'm surprised about. The other two I don't know personally.

And most of what Lynn has "promised" has already been TA'd. She is way too cozy with Scott for my tastes. Brian endorsing this group too? He is so anti-ALPA and so very pro-management that it should tell you something ain't right if Scott and Brian are endorsing this group. And do you really believe they'll all resign if asked to? Like they say, careful what you 'vote' for, you may get it!

Hoser

 

[Bizjet]

I have to laugh at this group of 4. Lynn actually confronted me in ops awhile back and told me to my face she had no intention of running. I voted for Lynn's coalition before, and unfortunately have come to regret doing so. JB doesn't do the job I helped elect him to, and Lynn got into a disagreement with Bob and resigned. Barry, I'm surprised about. The other two I don't know personally.

And most of what Lynn has "promised" has already been TA'd. She is way too cozy with Scott for my tastes. Brian endorsing this group too? He is so anti-ALPA and so very pro-management that it should tell you something ain't right if Scott and Brian are endorsing this group. And do you really believe they'll all resign if asked to? Like they say, careful what you 'vote' for, you may get it!

Hoser

Lynn will never admit she is running. She still thinks that she is "LYNN JACKSON ACTION HERO" and if she runs and loses the election her mystique over the pilot group will be gone with the loss. She has always been this way. Last election she got about 40 votes and Newie got several hundred. She then told everyone that asked what happened with her lack of support and she would reply with "I got 40 votes and wasn't even running." People who drink with her and her BoyToy will likely vote for her unless they happen to be on the wagon when they vote. She couldn't find a public relations company to handle her image make over because so many that know her know that a vote for her is a vote for her BoyToy as well. You can't have one without the other. She is too lazy to do the job of union rep. She will be missing in action most of the time. Plus she has the 300 lb. albatross (Brian W.) around her neck. His endorsement should be enough said.

 

[www.]

I don't know how long you have been here, but I can tell you that Lynn isn't one to sell out the pilot group. She voted for ALPA to come onto the property and she fought hard for our current agreement. There are a lot of us here that want to save our career. What they are proposing isn't a concessionary contract. The membership will have to pass it, and I don't think this pilot group will pass a concessionary agreement - do you?

You need to talk to Barney Rogers about the last contract and PFT. Then you'll find out the real story about LJ and JB. Can you say "conflict of interest".

 

[Berry McCockner]

I don't really know any of the Fab 4 candidates. I don't know Brian Wilson either or why nobody seems to like him. I do know that nothing, regarding our contract and negotiations, is happening right now and we are losing airplanes.
So maybe some fresh meat would be a good thing for negotiations. If they can come up with a TA in three months at least it will be some progress. If it sucks the pilot group can vote it down.
My point is, we need some forward progress, good or bad. Sitting idle and watching our planes go bye-bye sucks. It would only take about 2 years for SKW to replace our entire pilot group.

P.S. I'm not in favor of a concessionary contract.

 

[shamrock]

So maybe some fresh meat would be a good thing for negotiations. If they can come up with a TA in three months at least it will be some progress. If it sucks the pilot group can vote it down.
My point is, we need some forward progress, good or bad. Sitting idle and watching our planes go bye-bye sucks. It would only take about 2 years for SKW to replace our entire pilot group.

P.S. I'm not in favor of a concessionary contract.

Your last sentence negates the chances of the rest of your post coming true. Our current negotiators could also get us a contract to vote on within 90 days, but it would "suck" and it would be voted down. Agreeing to a crappy contract just so we have something to vote on is not progress.

I'm OK (but don't agree) with people looking for "fresh meat" in negotiations but I think voting for someone with Lynn's history (not to mention her connection to our Missing in Action Sec/Tres) is a mistake.

 

[CTS]

I don't really know any of the Fab 4 candidates. I don't know Brian Wilson either or why nobody seems to like him. I do know that nothing, regarding our contract and negotiations, is happening right now and we are losing airplanes.
So maybe some fresh meat would be a good thing for negotiations. If they can come up with a TA in three months at least it will be some progress. If it sucks the pilot group can vote it down.
My point is, we need some forward progress, good or bad. Sitting idle and watching our planes go bye-bye sucks. It would only take about 2 years for SKW to replace our entire pilot group.

P.S. I'm not in favor of a concessionary contract.

Brian Wilson is a great guy. His thinking is more capitalistic than those in ALPA or any other union. Many here will not agree with his thinking, but that does not make him a bad person. It is just a difference in opinion. This is what makes me very frustrated with our current ALPA reps. Just because there is a difference in opinion does not mean we publicly resort to name calling and other elementary behavior.

I will also add that Lynn is NOT new meat, that form of change will only take the change out of your pocket. Ask around, Lynn's reputation will show she is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

 

[ASApuppy]

Is there man or beast alive that has ever seen Brian actually fly the line?

Ask around about when Brian was an IP as an FO. He didn't have the seniority to hold Captain. I guess he weasled his way into the training department. Keep in mind he is smarter than any other employee at ASA (if you don't believe me, just ask him).

Anyhow, they end up short a Captain for a revenue trip. He's not Captain, but as an IP he is typed so Brian begs, borrows or steals a set of Captain's bars and hat with some jism on the bill and off he goes.

Ask around, you'll find someone to fill in the details.

Why is he not on the seniority list? What is his number? I can't find him on the IP list or management LOA list.

 

[Bizjet]

Why is he not on the seniority list? What is his number? I can't find him on the IP list or management LOA list.

He has spent the last 18 months writing new loft scenarios. A senior IP told me that they are so bad they are laughable. It was an 18 month waste of pay for someone like BW to be charged with writing new lofts when he has only questionable credentials with respect to line flying. He is the most arrogrant, pompous, know nothing at this airline. He and the biscuit are very similar. Biscuit and BW on the same flight deck is more dangerous than two chief pilots in uniform. They think that anyone can be a line pilot but only super pilots are picked to sit in the GO daily and be paid to do nothing. However their not flying the line certainly protects the flying public.

 

[Long Time Gone]

And most of what Lynn has "promised" has already been TA'd. She is way too cozy with Scott for my tastes.Hoser

In the last recurrent class, Scott Hall stated, "Contrary to popular belief, I have not been to Lynn Jackson's cabin in the mountains."

Yep, way too cozy, especially since he's only been here a year and knows about her cabin with Breiling.

LTG

 

[Copydat]

The current ALPA leadership should be worried about the fantastic four. Not because they are the best opposition, but because membership is tired of the standard ALPA antagonistic responses. ALPA seems to resist all progress and change on every front. Many politicians have been ousted by frustration instead of brilliant opposition. I cite Jimmy Carter as a prime example. The best thing ALPA can do is produce some results to negate Lyn's campaign. ASAP was a perfect chance for ALPA to say "see, we waited a year and now management has agreed to our concerns." Instead ALPA once again resisted change. In the last four years we have maintained the status quo on every front. It seems that the leadership has painted itself into the proverbial corner and does not know how to extract itself.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The current ALPA leadership should be worried about the fantastic four. Not because they are the best opposition, but because membership is tired of the standard ALPA antagonistic responses. ALPA seems to resist all progress and change on every front. Many politicians have been ousted by frustration instead of brilliant opposition. I cite Jimmy Carter as a prime example. The best thing ALPA can do is produce some results to negate Lyn's campaign. ASAP was a perfect chance for ALPA to say "see, we waited a year and now management has agreed to our concerns." Instead ALPA once again resisted change. In the last four years we have maintained the status quo on every front. It seems that the leadership has painted itself into the proverbial corner and does not know how to extract itself.

ASAP is moving forward. Programs of this signifigance take time. As they say....the devil is in the details.

Not unlike our contract, with the rat poo management we endure at ASA, those details can make or break even the best of programs. Just because you don't see a press release everyday does not mean things are not happening.

Talk to your CASC guys or pose the question to a status rep or P2P to get up to date info.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

In the last recurrent class, Scott Hall stated, "Contrary to popular belief, I have not been to Lynn Jackson's cabin in the mountains."

Yep, way too cozy, especially since he's only been here a year and knows about her cabin with Breiling.

LTG

Scott, Lynn, and John alone in a cabin in the mountains.

I cringe to think what takes place.

 

[WorldOnTime]

Brian Wilson is a great guy.

He is a waste of space. He should neither be on the line or paid to do anything with flight training. You could pay an FSI intern a quarter of what they're paying Brian and you would get better results. How's that for capitalistic thought?

Chromer, is that you?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He is a waste of space. He should neither be on the line or paid to do anything with flight training. You could pay an FSI intern a quarter of what they're paying Brian and you would get better results. How's that for capitalistic thought?

Chromer, is that you?

He could go up to the mountains with Scott, Lynn, and John. He could be the camera man.

uke:

 

[Copydat]

ASAP is moving forward. Programs of this signifigance take time. As they say....the devil is in the details.

Not unlike our contract, with the rat poo management we endure at ASA, those details can make or break even the best of programs. Just because you don't see a press release everyday does not mean things are not happening.

Talk to your CASC guys or pose the question to a status rep or P2P to get up to date info.

We are approaching the amount of time it took to fight WWII. Surely you are not defending even the amount of time we have exhausted on contract, ASAP, electronic bid process, etc.. I am a supporter of ALPA but I am not a blind defender of everything that emerges from their camp. As far as P2P they are great guys but just an extension of ALPA's message. Just because a P2P says so, that does not make it gospel or even accurate. What ALPA needs is some progress on some front, any front. This we are good and everyone else, (including our members who run against us) is evil is getting very tiresome. Politicians should run on results not fear and intimidation.

 

[John Pennekamp]

ASA is full of weirdos, criminals, and rednecks.

I resemble that remark...

 

[Pogue Mahone]

We are approaching the amount of time it took to fight WWII. Surely you are not defending even the amount of time we have exhausted on contract, ASAP, electronic bid process, etc.. I am a supporter of ALPA but I am not a blind defender of everything that emerges from their camp. As far as P2P they are great guys but just an extension of ALPA's message. Just because a P2P says so, that does not make it gospel or even accurate. What ALPA needs is some progress on some front, any front. This we are good and everyone else, (including our members who run against us) is evil is getting very tiresome. Politicians should run on results not fear and intimidation.

A contract could have been signed months or even years ago. It would include pay cuts, per diem decreases, scheduling and other QOL issues left behinds. No rigs, no 401k, increases in health insurance premiums, no DH, or CNX pay.

How does that sound?

Do you beleive the lack of progress is the fault of your association or any of the people YOU elected to represent you?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Sounds to me like this group of 4 thinks we aren't that far from a workable deal and they want to get back in there and get it done and let the pilots decide if it is an acceptable deal. Sounds to me like this group of 4 wants to put job security first. Sounds to me like this group wants to try something different. What are their opponents promissing? I haven't heard much from the other candidates. What harm can come from getting a TA to vote on within 90 days? If it isn't acceptable, we just vote it down. I have voted no on TAs before, I can do it again.

So tell us, which chief pilot are you?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Scott, Lynn, and John alone in a cabin in the mountains.

I cringe to think what takes place.

Wasn't Deliverance filmed in the Georgia mountains? Squeal like a pig John! EEEE EEEE EEEE!

 

[John Pennekamp]

I don't really know any of the Fab 4 candidates. I don't know Brian Wilson either or why nobody seems to like him. I do know that nothing, regarding our contract and negotiations, is happening right now and we are losing airplanes.
So maybe some fresh meat would be a good thing for negotiations. If they can come up with a TA in three months at least it will be some progress. If it sucks the pilot group can vote it down.
My point is, we need some forward progress, good or bad. Sitting idle and watching our planes go bye-bye sucks. It would only take about 2 years for SKW to replace our entire pilot group.

P.S. I'm not in favor of a concessionary contract.

What makes you think "nothing is happening"? Our MEC has petitioned the NMB for a release! A decision will be rendered this month. They could release us, keep us parked, or send us back to negotiations. The wheels in Washington are in motion and we are waiting. It's unlikely we will stay parked, because we are clearly at an impasse. I'd predict a release and/or a return to negotiations with super mediation pending a deadline if I had a fly on the wall in D.C.

Don't think "nothing is happening" just because you don't get a news flash every day. After 4 years, this is a marathon, not a sprint!

 

[Copydat]

I fault the poor relationship between ALPA and management to all people at the table. ALPA has said over and over that I can not trust management so I suppose I don't trust management. ALPA has gladly taken my dues and said I could have free sun shades. I can not catch the office open to receive my free sun shades so I suppose I do not trust ALPA.

In all seriousness we have had zero quality of life improvements the last four years. Please do not ask me to say that ALPA has taken my money and improved my quality of life. I do believe that they have defended my CURRENT quality of life with the exception of the CDO grievance.

I am looking for ALPA to quit telling me what to think. I would rather they give me valid reasons to support the current leadership. Lets keep in mind that while many ALPA members volunteer their valuable time for free, there is a large contingent that have had years off from line flying, with pay, at whatever they COULD hold. While they have worked hard, as have the line pilots, there has also been a massive amount of down time that they have gotten paid handsomely for. During this down time the line pilots have continued to work with no quality of life improvements. Other MECs have settled contracts in less time and with just as evil of managements. My frustration level is code red and that is what scares me about this election cycle. If I am frustrated then there must be others that feel the same way.

 

[AutoTransfer]

It's so simple

92.67% strike vote authorization.

 

[ASARJMan]

You need to talk to Barney Rogers about the last contract and PFT. Then you'll find out the real story about LJ and JB. Can you say "conflict of interest".

Yeah, funny how Joey won't comment on that on flightinfo. Hell, Joey won't even post on here anymore now that his older girlfriend is running for ALPA office again. Brian should be put in a line pilot position along with biscuit and a few more like TS. Think of the savings right there.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Copydat]

If you are going to spread info, spread accurate info. The one refered to as Biscuit has lost his job at the GO due to position elimination. He is now in the standards department.

 

[John Pennekamp]

If you are going to spread info, spread accurate info. The one refered to as Biscuit has lost his job at the GO due to position elimination. He is now in the standards department.

So you're saying they created a new position for him instead of sending him back to the line? And how does that disprove the above comment?

 

[Copydat]

Not a new position, just a regular standards department instructor pilot. I was referring to the statement that a few GOers should be sent back to the line. Well, a few GOers are being displaced. Now, is the point going to be made that Biscuit is being overpaid as an instructor?