Bombardier to sell 120 planes to NETJETS???

[G200_PILOT]

I tried to tell them back in 2006...


http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1021829#post1021829

Even though it didn't go to the NMB, it still would have been in their best interest to have had a union and a representative at the integration LOA bargaining.

I'll say it again - merger/acquisition or no, Flex pilots are going to be better off completing the card drive and organizing under 1108.

WOW! Talk about a trip down memory lane. It's wild just to see Olsen's posts.

I agree with most of the guys here though, a card drive sounds great and all but I think you guys are a day late and a dollar short. IF this really were to play out like we're all thinking it will, there's no way you guys could get a contract done in time. There would be NO incentive for the company to come to the table and rush a contract through.

I hate to say it but this is exactly why you all should have done this years ago when you had the chance and the economy was good. You all could have secured a nice CBA and you all wouldn't be freaking out the way you are now. We all made our own decisions on where we wanted to work and whether or not we wanted to be represented by a union.

A lot of you bashed the union for years now saying that it caused nothing but problems yet here we are today and everyone is running around looking for those cards like a bunch of cockroaches scattering when the lights are turned on.

Surprise!

 

[Tenspot]

I guess you must be tired of irritating all your coworkers. You must be striving for greater things - irritating pilots everywhere.

 

[G200_PILOT]

Can't handle reality huh? Tell me what part of what I said is false.

Look man, I hold a bit of resentment towards all of this simply because of all of the union bashing that's gone on here and now all of a sudden the tide has turned. Add to that the mere thought of new names on our seniority list junior to the most senior furloughed guy is a bit disheartening too.

 

[ArtVandalay]

Well, he is an expert in hind-sight. G200 don't tell us what we "should" have done. We live in the present and plan for the future. We can't help it there was a lot of dead weight holding us back years ago. Don't preach to us about OUR situation. We are trying to do something here and we don't need you blowing spit wads at us with something that is completely out of our control and not even in the spectra of your intelligence. Be happy we are trying to better ourselves and protect ourselves NOW.

 

[G200_PILOT]

Protect yourself potentially at our furloughed pilot's expenses. I'm allowed to be pissed thanks.

 

[Grizz]

I agree with most of the guys here though, a card drive sounds great and all but I think you guys are a day late and a dollar short. IF this really were to play out like we're all thinking it will, there's no way you guys could get a contract done in time. There would be NO incentive for the company to come to the table and rush a contract through.

McCaskill-Bond isn't dependent on having a contact. You really ought to spend a little more time reading and learning versus just posting to get attention.

 

[G200_PILOT]

Ha! Griz to the rescue! Kinda like the whole 135 certificate thing right? Funny funny man.

You don't even know if that will even apply but you'll use it to sound important and the knower of all. You may want to learn a little yourself before you start talking like some sort of expert. But hey, if you did that, you'd be in a different place today.

 

[Tenspot]

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[Grizz]

Unfortunately there isn't a wealth of case law about McCaskill-Bond since it was only enacted in 2008. It is very clear that it definitely requires two covered employee groups being merged into a single carrier. As I said at the beginning of this whole discussion, I don't believe that is going to happen. That being said, I'd rather see Flex pilots become unionized regardless of this situation.

 

[G200_PILOT]

Ok, so let ms get this 100% clear. I come out and make a comment about it being too late IF a buy-out, merger, acquisition, or whatever you want to call it, is right around the corner and you come out swinging telling me I have no clue and that I should read more before saying something. Then you come back and admit that you yourself have no clue if any of that has anything to do with this situation. You always have to come riding in on the white horse and then back pedal at some point. Instead of bashing me, why can't you just accept the fact that you're no different? What I said. Few posts ago wasn't wrong Griz. Waiting till the ******************** hits the fan to react and try to unionize isn't the right way to do things.

I do question why you of all people are such a strong advocate for flex pilots to unionize knowing that it COULD negatively affect our furloughed brothers and sisters. I may be missing something but you seem to be playing for both teams to make yourself look like a hero once again. Pick a side Griz.

 

[Grizz]

I'll explain it to you. As far as I can find, there hasn't been a case taken to court yet to determine if a "covered employee" is required to be a member of a union to get that protection. (BW agreed that that is the central question that will need to be answered) Literally, that's the million dollar question.

Nowhere in the McCaskill-Bond amendment does it say anything about a contract being required. If you'd read it, you'd know that. It's pretty clear that isn't even a player in the discussion.

That's the difference in our posts. I'm discussing something that really hasn't been settled by case law yet and is open to interpretation. You are posting pure nonsense just because you need attention. I'm done giving it to you.

As to the union question - it's simple. I think our industry and our pilots would be better off if Flex were unionized. I'd like to see Citation Air and Avantair unionized. That basic position is true regardless of this mental masturbation we're involved in about a possible M/A with Flex.

 

[G200_PILOT]

It's not nonsense at all. What I've said is what most people think but they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. What part of wha I said is nonsense Griz? Every fractional pilot here that works at Flex, CS, or Avantair has had YEARS to organize and secure contracts. There were plenty of pilots who wanted to but they always hit brick walls with their fellow pilots who didn't want anything to do with unions. We've all seen numerous pilots here expressing their thoughts as to why unions were such a bad idea. I wasn't till this latest article came out that pilots stopped for a minute and thought about their grim future. I compare this to a small country waiting until they get attacked to try and get an army together. The bottom line is that it's just too late IF an announcement is right around the corner. That's the part you seem to miss in every one of my posts. I said IF it's right around the corner.

The rest of you last post is nothing more than your next campaign platform. Its to be totally expected. Come in looking like a hero and a REAL pilots advocate and then showing your true colors.

 

[Tenspot]

I feel sorry for the Flexjet pilots if this actually happens. Having to put up with G200 over here is bad enough. Add in the union forum and it's cruel and unusual punishment. Ask any NetJet pilot to name the 5 biggest idiots we have and his name will make every list.

 

[G200_PILOT]

Now THAT'S funny right there. So in other words, you can't argue what I'm saying but you just don't like it so you're left with throwing personal attacks out. That's great fun. The majority of what people have a problem with when it comes to my posts are how straight forward they are. Bu we've all seen guys like you plenty of times. When you realize the argument isn't going your way, the only left to do is attack on a personal level. Trust me bud, that's not going to make me stop posting. You may not like what I'm saying here but the truth is sometimes a really hard pill to swallow. I'm not walking on eggshells for anyone here. If it comes down to out furloughees or another pilot group, you know which side I'll fight for. It's sad you don't feel the same.

 

[J3guy]

Hey G200, I think flex is not a union shop because we don't enjoy working with people like you. We are different. So keep on banging on your union drum and dreaming about how you all can staple us so as to bring back your union brothers and sisters. They are more important arent they, because they're union? right? Your "its all about me" attitude is repulsive. Have a nice day.