Bombardier to sell 120 planes to NETJETS???

[fischman]

I think you should worry more about the impending furlough you're about to go through. From what I hear you Guys are still 250 fat. We are doing just fine here at flex(in terms of being right sized).Good luck!

Impending furlough? HA! The CBA has a minimum staffing level that NJA has to maintain. If you subtract 250 pilots, that's the number our seniority list will be at. It doesn't take a wizard to see where they came up with the number. I don't believe NetJets could maintain the integrity of the schedule with that few pilots. They have been working me to the bone, and in my opinion they cut too deep with the first round of furloughs. .

Management is getting ready for section 6 bargaining. They are trying to intimidate us. I GUARANTEE that they will use that (as well as dangle a carrot of 120 Globals) in order to try for contractual concessions. Its just business, just like trying to increase our market share by taking Flex out. Its just business.

 

[VGerect]

They have been working me to the bone, and in my opinion they cut too deep with the first round of furloughs. .

fischman, I hope you're not flying tired......professional pace and all.

 

[fischman]

fischman, I hope you're not flying tired......professional pace and all.

I have called in fatigued twice in the past two tours. I flew tired at the regionals before. I'll never do it again. :beer:

 

[G4dude]

My last six months have been my busiest ever at NetJets.

 

[G4dude]

G4dude, after this comment made by you:

I used to fly for Flex, enjoyed the time spent there, and I agree with warlord19 and B19. I'm just one pilot among many who would rather negotiate/relate with the company as an individual rather than be represented by a third party. With all due respect.

I have ZERO respect for you or anything you have to say on this matter. You've clearly showed your true colors and what you stand for. You have no sense of unity and you sure as hell have no respect for your fellow brothers and sisters. Luckily, you're part of a minority and you always will be.

If you visit our union message board, you know who I am. I challenge you to repeat that statement on our website where you'll be more than just a "fly" screen name. How about it? How much of a man are to stick by your beliefs? Otherwise, you're just a coward hiding behind some lame alias.

Hope to see you stick by your morals.

I have great respect for my "brothers and sisters", respect for them as individuals instead of part of a group. That's all. Your bilious and vile comments validate my feelings about union crazies and prove people should not drink and post. By the way, the union crazies are well known as our poorest pilots. They are extremely well versed in the Contract and all the protections it contains, however.

 

[G200_PILOT]

Union crazies? My feelings on the matter actually have nothing to do with the union. It's about showing loyalty to the men and women you work with before allowing some other company to come in and take the spot that is rightfully theirs. You say my comments are "vile." How exactly? You say you respect the people you work with but don't seem to show any loyalty to your fellow NJA pilots who are currently out of a job. Perhaps it's because you weren't "here" when the furlough happened. Who knows, but try to remember that you're part of a much larger group now. While we may fight amongst ourselves and come across harsh sometimes, when push comes to shove, we all ban together when the situation requires us to. You haven't seemed to grasp that yet. By all the comments you've made so far, it's easy to see that you are about you. Whatever is good for you is what's important. You'd like nothing more than to negotiate your own terms with management but sorry jack, those days are over. It's all about equality now. What's good for you, is now good for 3000 other pilots.

Buh-bye Mr. Bubba Man!

 

[ozpilot]

Even though it didn't go to the NMB, it still would have been in their best interest to have had a union and a representative at the integration LOA bargaining.

It would have been nice if the NJA pilots had someone representing their interests too, considering how one sided that deal was.

 

[G200_PILOT]

It would have been nice if the NJA pilots had someone representing their interests too, considering how one sided that deal was.

+1

He nailed it!!!!

 

[G4dude]

actually...

G4dude, after this comment made by you:

I used to fly for Flex, enjoyed the time spent there, and I agree with warlord19 and B19. I'm just one pilot among many who would rather negotiate/relate with the company as an individual rather than be represented by a third party. With all due respect.

I have ZERO respect for you or anything you have to say on this matter. You've clearly showed your true colors and what you stand for. You have no sense of unity and you sure as hell have no respect for your fellow brothers and sisters. Luckily, you're part of a minority and you always will be.

If you visit our union message board, you know who I am. I challenge you to repeat that statement on our website where you'll be more than just a "fly" screen name. How about it? How much of a man are to stick by your beliefs? Otherwise, you're just a coward hiding behind some lame alias.

Hope to see you stick by your morals.

After it became apparent NJA was going to furlough a bunch of pilots, I advocated all of us taking a 10 percent pay cut to save their jobs. My fellow pilots to whom I told my idea were not amused. Neither was my wife. True story.

 

[x402]

After it became apparent NJA was going to furlough a bunch of pilots, I advocated all of us taking a 10 percent pay cut to save their jobs. My fellow pilots to whom I told my idea were not amused. Neither was my wife. True story.

What assurance from the company did you have that would be acceptable?

 

[ultrarunner]

After it became apparent NJA was going to furlough a bunch of pilots, I advocated all of us taking a 10 percent pay cut to save their jobs......

And the company gave assurances that would happen? Really?

The 500 on furlough has a net-value savings of around 75 to 80 million, annually. That's figuring a total comp/benefits package costing the company about 150 grand per head.

A 10% cut in 'compensation only' to the remaining 2300 or so is only going to get you a fraction of 80 mil. And that is figuring an average comp-only figure of about 115 grand.

Now, this is just a WAG from the comp numbers on APC, but it's likely reasonably close. But in any event, when you furlough in large numbers like NJA did (over 20% of the working group), that's racks up to massive cash savings that only draconian comp cuts could equal. And at the end of the day, it was about right-sizing the outfit anyway. No amount of cuts would have saved those jobs, IMHO.

 

[fischman]

After it became apparent NJA was going to furlough a bunch of pilots, I advocated all of us taking a 10 percent pay cut to save their jobs. My fellow pilots to whom I told my idea were not amused. Neither was my wife. True story.

How long is it going to take for pilots to realize that CONCESSIONS DO NOT SAVE JOBS?!?

 

[imacdog]

Some people will never get it.

 

[gunfyter]

The only way concessions would save jobs is if the company actually needed those pilots to fly. And cost cutting allowed the product to maintain or increase market share.

Look. Fuel costs @ $6/gallon is $2000/ hour to run a X or a Falcon. Thats fuel alone then management fees.... We are a relatively small cost per hour especily when you are talking 10% of our pay as mentioned previously. A 10% pilot pay cut is not affecting our ability to maintain pilot jobs through market share.

 

[jonjuan]

We are a relatively small cost per hour especily when you are talking 10% of our pay as mentioned previously.

Huh? $160,000/year * 2,800 pilots is $450 Million/year. Compared to total revenues, that's a big %, like it or not.

 

[CA1900]

Huh? $160,000/year * 2,800 pilots is $450 Million/year. Compared to total revenues, that's a big %, like it or not.

Right. A 10% cut from that would be $45 million. If the company took in $5 billion in revenue, that's less than 1%.

 

[gunfyter]

Huh? $160,000/year * 2,800 pilots is $450 Million/year. Compared to total revenues, that's a big %, like it or not.

But 10% is only $45M. Thats only about 1% of revenues. Not going to affect pricing or market share or keep people on or off the property.

 

[jonjuan]

But 10% is only $45M. Thats only about 1% of revenues. Not going to affect pricing or market share or keep people on or off the property.

Gotcha- thx.

 

[G4dude]

I hadn't actually done the math, just thought the idea might save those jobs. However, y'all are right, we didn't need those pilots due to lower demand, unfortunately. The funny thing is, that 200 guy accused me of not caring about my "brothers and sisters", so I thought I would broach the subject.

 

[G4dude]

What assurance from the company did you have that would be acceptable?

I just floated the idea to some of my colleagues, I didn't talk to management. In retrospect, I don't think it would have prevented the furloughs because we are now a smaller company. It will be a happy day when we hire them all back!