Beware to potential PCL street Captains

[Raskal]

I'm reguratating the comments from the past couple years. The people who actually do get hired for the street captain postition may be very qualified. The point that was brought up was you could have an applicant that has 3500 hrs of Cub time and walk in to 9E and be a captain. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, I don't hear anything about the possibility of someone with 1500 hrs of Cub time being a CA at XJ. Also a friend who is at XJ told me they have hired 6 people that he knows of with less than 300 hrs.... Pair them up with a 1500 street captain.....

Ahhh, forgive me then. I get what you were saying...I had no idea the street caps at PCL were different, although I do know that outside of 121 (and maybe in it too), the reputation for the lifestyle/morale of the PCL group is pretty bad-maybe that explains it.

I hope the flagship folks can get through what seems to be a total mess ok...keep up the good fight!

Less than 300??? Wow, it is getting a bit nuts isn't it.

 

[bouttime]

Ahhh, forgive me then. I get what you were saying...I had no idea the street caps at PCL were different, although I do know that outside of 121 (and maybe in it too), the reputation for the lifestyle/morale of the PCL group is pretty bad-maybe that explains it.

I hope the flagship folks can get through what seems to be a total mess ok...keep up the good fight!

Less than 300??? Wow, it is getting a bit nuts isn't it.

It is starting to look like the 9E pilots may have management by the balls. Management is having a hard time recruiting pilots because of the low starting pay, so they have given bonuses to new hires. This is essentially changing the status quo which is a big no no. In order to fill new hire slots it may take a new contract addressing the pay and QOL issues. Who knows 9E may have a good contract in 6 months.

 

[Raskal]

It is starting to look like the 9E pilots may have management by the balls. Management is having a hard time recruiting pilots because of the low starting pay, so they have given bonuses to new hires. This is essentially changing the status quo which is a big no no. In order to fill new hire slots it may take a new contract addressing the pay and QOL issues. Who knows 9E may have a good contract in 6 months.

I hope so...I read about the bonus thing, have there been any updates? Wasn't there a suit involved?

I also read something about them trying to raise FO pay outside the contract or something? Can they do that? They seem to be fighting the employees at every turn, one would think they would come to realize that no one wins in these things and to sit down and come to an agreement is better for all involved. It's amazing how pig-headed people can be.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I also read something about them trying to raise FO pay outside the contract or something? Can they do that?

This thread may help to answer your question: http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=104875

 

[Raskal]

This thread may help to answer your question: http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=104875

Thanks, not sure how I missed that one--fun reading.

 

[Inconceivable]

This week the company has upped IOE for all new hires to 50 hours regardless of experience.

Tell you something?

 

[Raskal]

This week the company has upped IOE for all new hires to 50 hours regardless of experience.

Tell you something?

Yeah, sounds like people are making it out of training that shouldn't...not a good problem to have. One would think something has to give eventually

 

[Rook]

Yeah, sounds like people are making it out of training that shouldn't...

At 9E????

Nahhh....

 

[millhouse21]

So, after IOE, it's possible that a new pilot will have accumulated one seventh of his/her total flight time while on IOE. Nice.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

It's good they are giving more IOE... Remember AQP programs required a minimum of 40 hours IOE on your initial checkout.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Yeah, sounds like people are making it out of training that shouldn't...not a good problem to have.

Rook and I are prime examples.

 

[XJohXJ]

I'm reguratating the comments from the past couple years. The people who actually do get hired for the street captain postition may be very qualified. The point that was brought up was you could have an applicant that has 3500 hrs of Cub time and walk in to 9E and be a captain. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, I don't hear anything about the possibility of someone with 1500 hrs of Cub time being a CA at XJ. Also a friend who is at XJ told me they have hired 6 people that he knows of with less than 300 hrs.... Pair them up with a 1500 street captain.....

The street captain mins are 2000 hours, and they currently seem to be recruiting at a higher standard than the minimums.

 

[arthompson]

there are people at 9E that never should have started training much less made it to the line. One kid (yes kid) had 191 ttl time but had been in every transition program known to man.

 

[DTWFO]

It's not just Pinnacle. There's very few regionals that I feel comfortable riding on. I always felt safe on ASA and Mesaba because the most junior Captain had years and years of experience, but even Mesaba is down to street Captains now. Eagle, Comair, and Horizon are probably safe bets, but most of the regionals are just accidents waiting to happen nowadays with the ATP-minimums Captains and part 141 minimums FOs.

I understand what you are saying here, but........weren't you one of the Captains that benefited from these minimums??? Let's keep it real shall we?

 

[PCL_128]

I upgraded at 3200 hours, not ATP minimums. Still not exactly "high-time," but at that experience level, even an extra 1000 hours makes a big difference. Also, I had over 2000 hours in type and at the company. This was one of the few areas that agreed with TM, the former CP, about. He adamantly refused to lower upgrade minimums at all. Having guys upgrading at 2000 hours (or even ATP minimums at some places) and flying with brand new pilots with only 200 hours TT is simply dangerous.