Benefits of a Merger for a Delta Pilot

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ACL65 has been saying he is hearing additional hiring is needed. At least thats what he said recently.

Correct, unless we have to absorb NWA.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Correct, unless we have to absorb NWA.

Would "absorbing" them mean integrate via seniority, staple to the bottom, or give a position until the SLI goes through?

 

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It sure doesn't sound like anyone has answered how the junior NWA guys will be "benefiting" from this merger.... Have any buyouts been organized through the MEC to prevent what looks like their furloughs? Unless there is a secret deal to takeover FedEx ops out of Anchorage, I can't see what else they could possibly be planning for them....keep in mind a lot of those "junior" guys aren't young wet behind the ears like guys like SuperPilot... The airlines hadn't been hiring for years until recently, and a lot of these guys brought significant experience to NWA...It would have a much greater affect on them (throwing them under the rug) in the modern aspect of being "junior" than years before when they all had long years ahead of them

I dunno, if I was a junior NWA guys I'd be happy:

• Big Pay Raise
• Longevity bump for time out on furlough
• Big Jump in Company B Plan contribution
• Growth v/s Shrinkage
• Sharing NWA furloughs with whatever DAL pilots get mixed in

Uncertainties:

• Folks like Superpilot think maybe he'll get hosed on final seniority... but he may be the youngest pilot on the seniority list. He's close if not the absolute winner. Seriously, I'd be :beer: if I was younger than 30 too.

 

[Noserider76]

I am not asking for an advantage!! I am asking what do we get on the Delta side?

Unless we have strong medium term fences on all bases/equipment those up through the middle of the list in DL bases and equipment will see years and years of stagnation/regression followed by a commute to the northern tier if and when you can finally hold captain.

We cannot allow the company to optimize/synergize the fleet at our expense. Status quo on bases and equipment during at least a 3-5 year transition period will go along way to ease the pain of this for both sides.

 

[Texx]

Astroglide!!!!!!!!!!


Wheeeeeeeeee!

 

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Noserider - what we going to do? Nobody asked us. We aren't even sure what's been negotiated. It is already done and it will pass. The majority of those who vote will look at pay rates, then equity, then lock into a mind set. I try to talk about scope and candidly, nobody cares.

So far, I've been very happy with our MEC's positions after the facts have got out, but this is for most all the marbles and I'm concerned.

 

[patrickdc9]

You get our 4 billion in cash, which allows you to keep your job and allows OUR company to grow. You also get better looking Northwest flight attendants in the deal.

The Northwest guy gets a huge pay raise, better benefits and equipment. I do not get to fly his B747 or anything better than what I have already. My quality of life goes backwards.
What is in this deal for a Delta Pilot!


THROW THE DELTA PILOT A BONE!!
EQUAL PAY ON DAY 1
:beer: :beer: :beer:

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I dunno, if I was a junior NWA guys I'd be happy:

• Big Pay Raise
• Longevity bump for time out on furlough

Surely they're not getting a big pay raise on furlough....
So they DO keep longevity on furlough? I heard otherwise....
Does ALPA cover their COBRA or are they just cast out to sea? I read something about required 2 month notice of furlough on another airline thread...Is that accurate?
(yeah, I ask a lot of questions, lol)

 

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You also get better looking Northwest flight attendants in the deal.

Yeah, but but I bet they can't answer your questions about the feeding, care and maintenance of cats, can they?

Delta has more cash too, BTW.

 

[Cessna340]

In the long term a good deal for both pilot groups. The DC-9 probably has you guys a bit nervous since they are after all retiring. But I think with our new B787 and a enhanced ability to exercise the options on these aircraft, the link between NWA and Delta will be more of a positive than a negative if you're talking merely about staffing. So cheers!!!

Apparently, you have not heard that RA is not to impressed with the new 787 performance and weight numbers that are coming in. This order may be X-ed is the rumor that the check airmen are passing around.

 

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Yep, RA likes the A330 and the 777.

 

[JAM-BRO]

Dude

DC???? I am getting 20% put into my 401 now thru our TDC. 9% is a cut for me.

Equity??????? With a combined market cap of 3B, don't go buying that Harley just yet... It won't be much.

Pay raise???????? Those come and go...

SLI???? You think you deserve an advantage?

I have a hard time seeing a benefit for me as a Delta Pilot apart from the statement that the roof is falling and it will after I am laid off for a few years provide me a better company to get recall.
Any opinions are welcomed !! Enlighting me as to my bright future in a new Delta.
Also the Northwest guys get pay raises, equity and our DC program. The SLI does not give the Delta pilots an advantage.
So I see a Airline with smiling northwest pilots and Delta pilots just dreading losing their quality of life.:beer:

 

[PuffDriver]

my tone hasnt changed at all i have always preached about working together.

You are kidding, right? Listen, I am not going to preach. With the sole exception of Occam, you guys were in a frenzy over how the Delta MEC screwed you, the double breasted sky gods were out to prove they were better, blah, blah, blah. Now you sound positively giddy, and this before any language has been released.

I am glad that you finally see how incorrect, shall I say misplaced, anger does no good. I would go so far as to say that it is LUCKY for you that LOA 19 existed--and still does until this is ratified by both groups. It will be particularly interesting to see what the scope language looks like, as well as the SLI language--if it exists as the press statement suggests.

I understood your mistrust, and I hope this goes a long way towards mending fences between us and your own guys.

 

[Noserider76]

Noserider - what we going to do? Nobody asked us.

We vote NO on any contract that doesn't come packaged with an SLI. Both sides get to see how their lives are affected in the short term and over the long haul.

 

[patrickdc9]

Well if Richard said the B787 is a piece of junk than it must be true. This argument from the Delta guys about NWA aircraft are inferior to DAL aircraft never seems to get old. I thought we were beyond this now with the TA?

Apparently, you have not heard that RA is not to impressed with the new 787 performance and weight numbers that are coming in. This order may be X-ed is the rumor that the check airmen are passing around.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

We vote NO on any contract that doesn't come packaged with an SLI. Both sides get to see how their lives are affected in the short term and over the long haul.

So does anyone know for a fact whether the SLI is included with this tentative agreement or is it only being discussed? I keep hearing both....

 

[NuGuy]

VOR and others...

No one, save the NCs and the MECs know any of the details in full.

Before we go tilt, we should wait for the facts.

Nu

 

[Voice Of Reason]

VOR and others...

No one, save the NCs and the MECs know any of the details in full.

Before we go tilt, we should wait for the facts.

Nu

True...when do you guys actually hear something? I know the MEC sees it Thurs, but when does their membership start seeing actual stuff in writing?
(Don't forget to make sure you're PILOTS and not "airmen")

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

Communications are being prepared for rapid dissemination, including PtP, hotlines, "Just the Facts" (NCs newsletter) and a "merger website".

You will be bombarded with information shortly.

Nu

 

[Superpilot92]

You are kidding, right?

nope, not kidding. I of all people gave everyone the benefit of the doubt. I have tried not to get bent about much with all this since there isnt much I can do about it. I am in full agreement with you though that now is the time to come together and push forward. :beer:

 

[FL510in10min]

It will be good to just get this deal done.

 

[Speedbird34]

You get our 4 billion in cash, which allows you to keep your job and allows OUR company to grow. You also get better looking Northwest flight attendants in the deal.

Very funny You can keep your bueatiful Northern gals...

 

[tblosser]

So does anyone know for a fact whether the SLI is included with this tentative agreement or is it only being discussed? I keep hearing both....

The TA doesn't include a SLI just a method to achieve one including expedited arbitration with 3 arbitrators instead of just 1.

 

[Speedbird34]

Dude

DC???? I am getting 20% put into my 401 now thru our TDC. 9% is a cut for me.

Equity??????? With a combined market cap of 3B, don't go buying that Harley just yet... It won't be much.

Pay raise???????? Those come and go...

SLI???? You think you deserve an advantage?

I would love a pay raise of 40% while I wait to see what benefit this merger brings to the table. I believe not much just something forced on us by investors.

 

[tblosser]

I dunno, if I was a junior NWA guys I'd be happy:

• Big Pay Raise
• Longevity bump for time out on furlough

Surely they're not getting a big pay raise on furlough....
So they DO keep longevity on furlough? I heard otherwise....

They will get the percentage increase as well as years of service bump because under our contract the clock keeps running while on furlough.


Does ALPA cover their COBRA or are they just cast out to sea?

Last time we furloughed the DAL membership paid the cobra bill for all that needed it. Thanks again!!

I read something about required 2 month notice of furlough on another airline thread...Is that accurate?

Don’t know
(yeah, I ask a lot of questions, lol)

 

[Speedbird34]

Well guys goodluck to everyone!! Already looks really ugly from my end of the room.
Wishing you guys the best espercially my Delta brothers. Fight for a fair deal the merger has no guarantee of success career expectations lost can never be regained! Quality of life given up is consumed forever. Our future may become so bleak we have a hard time recognising our past life!!
I hope I am wrong..:beer: :beer: :beer:

 

[dtfl]

Well if Richard said the B787 is a piece of junk than it must be true. This argument from the Delta guys about NWA aircraft are inferior to DAL aircraft never seems to get old. I thought we were beyond this now with the TA?

He didnt say it was a POS..and this attitude towards DAL pilot thinking NWA aircraft are inferior is crap......put an end to that.
Here is what RA said --

Richard addressed the Chief Pilots Thursday, June 19. The following is a summary of his comments.....

(There are many bullets..I only included the 787 ref)

� Richard does not like the B787 � will be 2 � years late and over weight is a huge issue. Might see NWA sue Boeing or cancel order if they fail to get the weight down. Extra weight will destroy fuel saving.
� Richard thinks the A330 is an excellent international A/C. Much better than B767. Carries more passengers and cargo and burns same fuel.

 

[licorice]

In the long term a good deal for both pilot groups. The DC-9 probably has you guys a bit nervous since they are after all retiring. But I think with our new B787 and a enhanced ability to exercise the options on these aircraft, the link between NWA and Delta will be more of a positive than a negative if you're talking merely about staffing. So cheers!!!

I think maybe, FBN, the point is, (or should be) the retirement of YOUR dc-9's SHOULD make YOUR junior pilots nervous, not DAL's junior pilots

 

[Occam's Razor]

This thread is lame.

Nobody "gets" anything.

Two strong airlines ("strong" in a relative sense) are combining. The sum of 1 + 1 will be greater than 2.

If that was not a fact BOTH MEC's would be fighting it tong-and-hook.

Without the impetus of a merger, there would be no LOA 19. Likewise, the NWA group would be looking at a Winter of tough sledding...and no improvements. Both airlines would be furloughing this year.

"Stand-alone" talk is the patter of chumps who need their egos salved. The future is the merger. Period. If you aren't focused on making it work, you're screwing yourself.

If your inner troll has control of your keyboard right now...rage on. The rest of us will shake our heads, and have second thoughts about Darwin being 100% right.

 

[DashTrash400]

The collective IQ on flightinfo spikes every time Occam posts. He needs to do it more often.