Benefits of a Merger for a Delta Pilot

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ACL65 has been saying he is hearing additional hiring is needed. At least thats what he said recently.

Correct, unless we have to absorb NWA.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Correct, unless we have to absorb NWA.

Would "absorbing" them mean integrate via seniority, staple to the bottom, or give a position until the SLI goes through?

 

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It sure doesn't sound like anyone has answered how the junior NWA guys will be "benefiting" from this merger.... Have any buyouts been organized through the MEC to prevent what looks like their furloughs? Unless there is a secret deal to takeover FedEx ops out of Anchorage, I can't see what else they could possibly be planning for them....keep in mind a lot of those "junior" guys aren't young wet behind the ears like guys like SuperPilot... The airlines hadn't been hiring for years until recently, and a lot of these guys brought significant experience to NWA...It would have a much greater affect on them (throwing them under the rug) in the modern aspect of being "junior" than years before when they all had long years ahead of them

I dunno, if I was a junior NWA guys I'd be happy:

• Big Pay Raise
• Longevity bump for time out on furlough
• Big Jump in Company B Plan contribution
• Growth v/s Shrinkage
• Sharing NWA furloughs with whatever DAL pilots get mixed in

Uncertainties:

• Folks like Superpilot think maybe he'll get hosed on final seniority... but he may be the youngest pilot on the seniority list. He's close if not the absolute winner. Seriously, I'd be :beer: if I was younger than 30 too.

 

[Noserider76]

I am not asking for an advantage!! I am asking what do we get on the Delta side?

Unless we have strong medium term fences on all bases/equipment those up through the middle of the list in DL bases and equipment will see years and years of stagnation/regression followed by a commute to the northern tier if and when you can finally hold captain.

We cannot allow the company to optimize/synergize the fleet at our expense. Status quo on bases and equipment during at least a 3-5 year transition period will go along way to ease the pain of this for both sides.

 

[Texx]

Astroglide!!!!!!!!!!


Wheeeeeeeeee!

 

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Noserider - what we going to do? Nobody asked us. We aren't even sure what's been negotiated. It is already done and it will pass. The majority of those who vote will look at pay rates, then equity, then lock into a mind set. I try to talk about scope and candidly, nobody cares.

So far, I've been very happy with our MEC's positions after the facts have got out, but this is for most all the marbles and I'm concerned.

 

[patrickdc9]

You get our 4 billion in cash, which allows you to keep your job and allows OUR company to grow. You also get better looking Northwest flight attendants in the deal.

The Northwest guy gets a huge pay raise, better benefits and equipment. I do not get to fly his B747 or anything better than what I have already. My quality of life goes backwards.
What is in this deal for a Delta Pilot!


THROW THE DELTA PILOT A BONE!!
EQUAL PAY ON DAY 1
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[Voice Of Reason]

I dunno, if I was a junior NWA guys I'd be happy:

• Big Pay Raise
• Longevity bump for time out on furlough

Surely they're not getting a big pay raise on furlough....
So they DO keep longevity on furlough? I heard otherwise....
Does ALPA cover their COBRA or are they just cast out to sea? I read something about required 2 month notice of furlough on another airline thread...Is that accurate?
(yeah, I ask a lot of questions, lol)

 

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You also get better looking Northwest flight attendants in the deal.

Yeah, but but I bet they can't answer your questions about the feeding, care and maintenance of cats, can they?

Delta has more cash too, BTW.

 

[Cessna340]

In the long term a good deal for both pilot groups. The DC-9 probably has you guys a bit nervous since they are after all retiring. But I think with our new B787 and a enhanced ability to exercise the options on these aircraft, the link between NWA and Delta will be more of a positive than a negative if you're talking merely about staffing. So cheers!!!

Apparently, you have not heard that RA is not to impressed with the new 787 performance and weight numbers that are coming in. This order may be X-ed is the rumor that the check airmen are passing around.

 

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Yep, RA likes the A330 and the 777.

 

[JAM-BRO]

Dude

DC???? I am getting 20% put into my 401 now thru our TDC. 9% is a cut for me.

Equity??????? With a combined market cap of 3B, don't go buying that Harley just yet... It won't be much.

Pay raise???????? Those come and go...

SLI???? You think you deserve an advantage?

I have a hard time seeing a benefit for me as a Delta Pilot apart from the statement that the roof is falling and it will after I am laid off for a few years provide me a better company to get recall.
Any opinions are welcomed !! Enlighting me as to my bright future in a new Delta.
Also the Northwest guys get pay raises, equity and our DC program. The SLI does not give the Delta pilots an advantage.
So I see a Airline with smiling northwest pilots and Delta pilots just dreading losing their quality of life.:beer:

 

[PuffDriver]

my tone hasnt changed at all i have always preached about working together.

You are kidding, right? Listen, I am not going to preach. With the sole exception of Occam, you guys were in a frenzy over how the Delta MEC screwed you, the double breasted sky gods were out to prove they were better, blah, blah, blah. Now you sound positively giddy, and this before any language has been released.

I am glad that you finally see how incorrect, shall I say misplaced, anger does no good. I would go so far as to say that it is LUCKY for you that LOA 19 existed--and still does until this is ratified by both groups. It will be particularly interesting to see what the scope language looks like, as well as the SLI language--if it exists as the press statement suggests.

I understood your mistrust, and I hope this goes a long way towards mending fences between us and your own guys.

 

[Noserider76]

Noserider - what we going to do? Nobody asked us.

We vote NO on any contract that doesn't come packaged with an SLI. Both sides get to see how their lives are affected in the short term and over the long haul.

 

[patrickdc9]

Well if Richard said the B787 is a piece of junk than it must be true. This argument from the Delta guys about NWA aircraft are inferior to DAL aircraft never seems to get old. I thought we were beyond this now with the TA?

Apparently, you have not heard that RA is not to impressed with the new 787 performance and weight numbers that are coming in. This order may be X-ed is the rumor that the check airmen are passing around.