Being let go on probation

[crxpilot]

bad advice

Dont put the company you got let go from on your next application. Go back to your CFI job and make it look like it was continued employment from Day1.

Ummm, yeah, I'm gonna have to say that would be some really bad advice to follow from both an ethical and legal standpoint. :erm:

 

[OPECJet]

In theory, I agree with your statement. from a practical point of view, the company would be irresponsible for doing it any other way than what they did.

Even though a person on probation can be fired without cause, there are many ways for the employee to challenge the termination. By documenting a failure through an FAA approved training program, the company significantly reduces their exposure to risk. I don't like it any more than you do but that is just the way the system works.

A probationary pilot can still be terminated without too much hoo ha through administrative methods much easier than a non probationary pilot. The biggest difference as you pointed out is having a documented failure through the approved training program. I was a rep for a while. Just about the only place where we'd be guaranteed trouble getting someone's job back is through a training issue. An arbitrator simply will not give someone's job back who has been labeled as troubled.

The rub comes from the fact that a pilot group can't trust a training department that is used as a disciplinary department.

Hopefully as already said, we won't be seeing many more of these type posts...

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Man, we have some sanctimonious SOBs here.

Alcohol and airlines are serious issues to be taken seriously. That being said, I know far more guys who have cut way too loose on an overnight (or during a training event night) than have not. I know I have... There is one night after the sim in recurrent I remember in particular (shudder!).

Being on probation is different, and you do have to mind your P's and Q's. That being said, go find a flying job... ANY flying job and show that you can stay employed and out of trouble. You are 21, fer chrissakes! Another chance will come around.

Chin up.

 

[rickair7777]

That's a good point. I know most training departments would hate to admit this but I think the supply and demand does have something to do with how strict they are. Less than a year ago most regionals were hiring almost anyone with a pulse. Now most are looking at a furlough. Training can afford to set the bar a little higher now. Of course, that's no excuse. Just emphasizes the need to be on top of your game at all times. If you know your systems, memory items, limitations and maneuvers cold, there's not much they can do to you.

Interesting point. I wonder how many regionals regret how low they actually did lower the bar recently...and are now trying to correct the problem.

 

[7574EVER]

You are 21, fer chrissakes! Another chance will come around.

Chin up.

Eh almost 24; but, close enough. I need to go knock out the ATP and hopefully open up a few more doors. I know that 21 and 24 is splitting hairs; but the point of me mentioning that was thank God I'm not 21. I couldn't even imagine how much I would be kicking myself in the rear right now if I dropped out of college to chase the airline dream! That certainly wouldn't have proved worth it.

 

[acaTerry]

No oral for Skywest guys?

You said "no oral"......:laugh: :laugh:

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Eh almost 24; but, close enough. I need to go knock out the ATP and hopefully open up a few more doors. I know that 21 and 24 is splitting hairs; but the point of me mentioning that was thank God I'm not 21. I couldn't even imagine how much I would be kicking myself in the rear right now if I dropped out of college to chase the airline dream! That certainly wouldn't have proved worth it.

Sorry.. Somehow I got the wrong impression. Well, I guess you are screwed.

Jokes! Naw, you'll be fine. Time has a way of taking care of these things. It is a tight job market, so it might be a while.

 

[7574EVER]

Sorry.. Somehow I got the wrong impression. Well, I guess you are screwed.

Jokes! Naw, you'll be fine. Time has a way of taking care of these things. It is a tight job market, so it might be a while.

HAHAHA. No, I agree. I know that things work themselves out. Even when you know it's all going to be fine it can be hard to see the light when your at the bottom of the hole (yes acaterry I said "hole").

I just want to get a hold of my PRIA record and figure out what I'm going to say in future interviews.

 

[on autopilot]

I don't have a whole lot of advice except to stay positive and come up with a really good answer because it will come up on your next interview. Some pointers in that area, never pass the blame to someone else, tell them what you learned (even if you aren't asked directly), and assure them that your experience since you were let go guarantees it won't happen again.

On another note, what airline is giving a "probie oral?" Is it given before or after recurrent ground school? Why the emphasis on the MEL for FO's? It's important to know, but it's not super critical since it is the Captain's responsibility to determine airworthiness. Was your company downsizing anyway?

American Eagle gives a probie oral. The horror stories are true.

 

[on autopilot]

7474ever,
I am still a member of Eaglelounge, and someone posted your first post on this thread. A few of the guys on Eaglelounge are instructors, apparently they know who you are, and they say that they knew who you were before you even came in for your ride, meaning that your name is one that had been brought to their attention as a "problem child" so whats the story????

As far as resigning goes, now that all the airlines use PRIA any place that you interview will see the two busts and the resignation. Not trying to get you down, just trying to find out the whole story.

Again I am happy to help you out with a good job, just let me know.

Yep, typical training center ops !!!!

 

[on autopilot]

SIU, you will get your "deets". I'll send you a PM tomorrow. I need to get to bed at the moment. I was going to PM you tomorrow anyway about the job you mention in the previous post. I have questions but I think it is something that I would love to give a go.

To hear this is kind of a shock to be honest. I didn't think I had really rubbed anyone the wrong way there and felt that I was liked by a vast majority of the captains that I flew with. All my probationary reports were fine. I saw every one of them before I went to recurrent.

Not that it matters; but, I hope nothing bad is being said about me on eagle lounge. I didn't mean anything bad in my origional post. I just wanted to explain my situation and look for advice. To be called a "problem child" I think is a bit harsh. I was nothing of the sort. I'll explain in the PM tomorrow.

7 when I was at that toilet bowl, I used to see them screw with folks all the time, for whatever reason and they love to try and ruin your career there, I don't know what Eagles' problem is but I have personally witnessed and seen the horror stories, one
guy ORD based was fired after 13 reports in 1 month, flying with Captains' that did not like him, felt he didn't belong in the cockpit not because he wasn't qaulified, but for other reasons. (think tint)

A.H. fired him, the guy left the office in tears, he tried to explain what really hapened, but A. H. wasn't buying it.

A good buddy of mine was let go because he stood up to an a-hole captain, came up for his probie ride and was told by the examiner he knowledge was horrible, A. H. cut him too. Yea Eagle will hire anyone (when they were hiring) but be prepared to get your buttocks violated, even if your keeping your nose down.

One more thing, those A-holes will try to mess you up on your next job interview, get a copy of your training records, and if you don't agree with what was written in your training event folder, FOR GODS' SAKE DON'T SIGN IT !!!! THEY WILL TRY TO USE IT AGAINST YOU. Happened to me at a job interview, but it eventually backfired big time, with job interviewers who know about Eagle......and a lawyer.

 

[on autopilot]

Ok well now that everyone seems to be talking about me I might as well defend myself. I'll admit I was standing on a table. The REASON I was up there in the pics is because it was told to the waitress that it was my 21st b-day (it really wasn't; but, what the hell). It was the tradition at this place that while they sing you their "b-day" song you have to stand on the table and dance (I think you had to spell out your name with your rear or something like that....thank God my name is short.) Unfortunately, that seemed to be the start of their "b-day traditions". It later involved ice cream and chocolate....and not for me to eat. I think there was one pic of me being held up by about ten other guys after the "ice cream celebration". As far as anything going beyond that...no. I wasn't streaking through the halls of the lovely airline hotel while screaming at the top of my lungs or anything like that.

Admitedly, I did throw up that night; but, as far as being hung over the next day...I was probably the only one of the fourteen of us out that were out that night that WASN'T hung over.

We didn't, in any way, make a bad name for the airline while we were out. Never even said a thing about being pilots. In fact I think one of the people that was out answered the "who are we and what do we do" question with saying that we were trash collectors for the city.

I am FAR from a party boy. Never was and never will be. That is probably the worst I have ever been in my life.

I will be the first to admit that I deserve everything I got on the first oral. It went miserably; but, I went home got some sleep, got my health back, got my nerves under control, returned to the training center got the retraining and went for the second attempt. If this night from a year ago was a big reason for my unsat the second time.....I don't really know what to say.

Hate to tell you this, but this isn't the first time this has happened at Eagle, and it won't be the last, that's just the way they do things there. Anyone can have a bad day, you got retrained and still came up short. Believe me, if they want you out of Eagle, your going out, and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it as a probie.

Get your mental state back where it needs to be and tell all who were done wrong at Eagle to keep posting there experiences on this and other boards, the only way to fight back is by information, the more word that gets out about Eagle and there B.S. tactics, the better for all who were let go by them. you will recover from this, chin up my man!!!

Your EX, if she ain't helpin, tell her to get to steppin!!!