Babbit Selling out On the 1500 Min Hire Rule....

[Draginass]

A 200 hour wonder has no business being in the right seat of a commercial airliner, PERIOD!


But he or she can fly a high performance jet or a large transport in the military to defend your freedoms? I am not ex or present military!

New military pilots receive much better training generally than civil pilots. Also, new military pilots are very closely supervised and mentored during their professional development in a close knit squadron environment.

New civil pilots are trainined/qualified, then thrown out into a very impersonal system where they are passed from crew to crew with little/no coherent consistent supervision.

With regards to the FAA, it looks as if our new administrator is following the lead of his long line of kneepad-wearers and is caving on real reform of this pathetic industry and is going to do another eyewash job.

 

[Mikes Apartment]

there is no reason to go to 1500, it is much more important to focus on the quality of the training received at the regional level

So going by that logic why do captains need 1500 hours? Why don't we drop that as well?

The point of making 1500 hours and an ATP the minimum is so everyone has more confidence that BOTH pilots know what the ******************** they're doing.

 

[ualdriver]

For pete's sake guys, will ya just wait before you hang the guy? This legislation still has to work it ways through the halls of Congress, and undoubtedly there will be changes there as well. Then the FAA is going to be going down its own path concurrently. Let's see what they come up with, then we'll hang 'em

 

[PCL_128]

Babbitt has been a sell-out for years. He sat on management's side of the bargaining table at Pinnacle during contract negotiations as a "consultant."

Still, even as a sell-out, it's better to have him there in that position rather than some lawyer or politician.

 

[Candide]

A 200 hour wonder has no business being in the right seat of a commercial airliner, PERIOD!


But he or she can fly a high performance jet or a large transport in the military to defend your freedoms? I am not ex or present military!

Apples and oranges, my friend.

A 200 hour military pilot has just participated in a training program in which he was a hunted animal, not a valued customer. Also, he's probably still in flight training (FRS, etc.), and if not is very closely monitored by personal-attention squadron standardization and training program (extremely unprofitable--lucky the military isn't in the business of making money).

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Rez,

I want to hear ALPA's stance on this issue. And don't give me the, "it's inevitable" line we got with age 65. Not only are the 200 hour pilot factories unsafe but they have caused a LOT of damage to our profession.

 

[Skywest Pylot]

A 200 hour wonder has no business being in the right seat of a commercial airliner, PERIOD!


But he or she can fly a high performance jet or a large transport in the military to defend your freedoms? I am not ex or present military!

There are a LOT of pilots at the regional level who could never make it as a military pilot. As it stands right now, all it takes to become a regional pilot is a nice installment from Daddy's (or Uncle Sam's) credit card. Zero to hero in $100k. As others have already stated, you are comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Golden Falcon]

"zero to hero in 100k"....thats well put...

 

[PCL_128]

Rez,

I want to hear ALPA's stance on this issue. And don't give me the, "it's inevitable" line we got with age 65. Not only are the 200 hour pilot factories unsafe but they have caused a LOT of damage to our profession.

Since you're a non-union "Skywest Pylot," why do you care? Jerry will just take care of everything, right?

 

[Skywest Pylot]

Since you're a non-union "Skywest Pylot," why do you care? Jerry will just take care of everything, right?

Thanks for the stereotype jack@ss. Maybe if you did a little research you would figure out that: 1. I am pro-union (voted for representation during my time at SkyWest). 2. I don't work for SkyWest anymore but pay ALPA dues just like you.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez,

I want to hear ALPA's stance on this issue. And don't give me the, "it's inevitable" line we got with age 65. Not only are the 200 hour pilot factories unsafe but they have caused a LOT of damage to our profession.

I can't give you ALPA's stance... not sure if they even have one as of yet... I can offer my personal view....

Legislation is the better way to go.... Babbitt wants to fix the problems "in house" so he can get the credit... that is fine. But the problem is.. policy changes are easier implement AND to reverse or alter than a CFR.

I'd rather see "an Act of Congress" then a FAA department policy. Recall, GWB changed the DOL's LM2 reporting requirements for unions costing us dues payers millions of dollars in admin costs...

It might be that a President a couple of terms from now, simply has the FAA or DOT secretary change, not for the better, these polices that Babbitt made...

Concerns are in the details... policy or legislation with vague words that allow corporations wiggle room. Worst is language that allows airlines voluntary compliance. Airlines will never comply. As soon as one airline ignores a voluntary compliance and gains a competitive edge, the others will follow... perhaps 8 hours scheduled rest is an example...

Even after the policy or legislation is real, there is the lobby to deal with the interpretation of the language....

We will have to see...

 

[PCL_128]

Thanks for the stereotype jack@ss. Maybe if you did a little research you would figure out that: 1. I am pro-union (voted for representation during my time at SkyWest). 2. I don't work for SkyWest anymore but pay ALPA dues just like you.

My apologies. I must have you confused with another Skywest poster.

 

[jonjuan]

Still, even as a sell-out, it's better to have him there in that position rather than some lawyer or politician.

Like Obama...

 

[B-atch]

Every man has his price... It didn't take long for the ATA to figure out Randy's!! Hes in there pocket. What shocks me is how blatantly obvious they push their agenda without any recourse..

 

[Skywest Pylot]

I can't give you ALPA's stance... not sure if they even have one as of yet... I can offer my personal view....

Legislation is the better way to go.... Babbitt wants to fix the problems "in house" so he can get the credit... that is fine. But the problem is.. policy changes are easier implement AND to reverse or alter than a CFR.

I'd rather see "an Act of Congress" then a FAA department policy. Recall, GWB changed the DOL's LM2 reporting requirements for unions costing us dues payers millions of dollars in admin costs...

It might be that a President a couple of terms from now, simply has the FAA or DOT secretary change, not for the better, these polices that Babbitt made...

Concerns are in the details... policy or legislation with vague words that allow corporations wiggle room. Worst is language that allows airlines voluntary compliance. Airlines will never comply. As soon as one airline ignores a voluntary compliance and gains a competitive edge, the others will follow... perhaps 8 hours scheduled rest is an example...

Even after the policy or legislation is real, there is the lobby to deal with the interpretation of the language....

We will have to see...

I've already emailed my congressmen and hope that my colleagues are doing the same. I believe we have a unique opportunity to bring about some very positive changes. Thanks for the information and keep it coming.