B19 Flyer

[Fozzy]

IF it happens, OF COURSE it will be bigger. We are 10 times bigger than the closest competitor! You are a real fortune teller.

 

[brokeflyer]

its not a matter of big salaries. This is what the job pays and if the company can't handle it then it isnt the pilots fault.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Will the union adjust the CBA to save jobs?

its not a matter of big salaries. This is what the job pays and if the company can't handle it then it isnt the pilots fault.

If the company can't handle it, then your job suddenly pays a lot less, if you have one at all and the union screwed up by asking for more money than the company could afford. If the company could afford before and can't now, then the responsible thing for the union to do is to adjust the contract accordingly.

Like that is going to happen! :laugh:

 

[B19 Flyer]

IF it happens, OF COURSE it will be bigger. We are 10 times bigger than the closest competitor! You are a real fortune teller.

No, you don't understand. I'm not talking sheer numbers, I'm talking pct. of pilots and total bite out of the CBA. It will be staggering compared to all the rest.

A high cost CBA means a higher cash burn when the revenue doesn't match.

When it happens you'll be asking your union membership why aren't they protecting you, right?


Isn't that what they promised?

It's obviously not the company's fault.

 

[imacdog]

So why did Shares and FlexJet furlough instead of across the board paycuts? In the world according to B, those companies have the ability to do so in order to save jobs. Why hasn't it happened then?

 

[Fozzy]

No, you don't understand. I'm not talking sheer numbers, I'm talking pct. of pilots and total bite out of the CBA. It will be staggering compared to all the rest.

A high cost CBA means a higher cash burn when the revenue doesn't match.

When it happens you'll be asking your union membership why aren't they protecting you, right?


Isn't that what they promised?

It's obviously not the company's fault.

Wrong. It is a Union shop. It is known how things work if and when we must furlough. No surprise.
AND THEY ARE PROTECTING ME.
From management hacks playing favorites if they must lay off. Bet that chaps your a$$.
Sorry, just because you don't like it does not mean we don't.

As far as %'s go, I don't agree with you. I will leave reading tea leaves to the hacks.

 

[gunfyter]

So why did Shares and FlexJet furlough instead of across the board paycuts? In the world according to B, those companies have the ability to do so in order to save jobs. Why hasn't it happened then?

Because 19 is FOS.

 

[brokeflyer]

no the union didn't screw up at all.....there is a reason the union is there.

Our CBA states what the job pays. The company agreed to that. Times are tough right now, but me taking a pay cut while others(management) don't isn't the way to do it.

Ill be all in favor of a pay cut via an amended contract, but that pay cut must be COMPANY wide, including management.

Like THAT is gonna happen.

 

[B19 Flyer]

no the union didn't screw up at all.....there is a reason the union is there.

Our CBA states what the job pays. The company agreed to that. Times are tough right now, but me taking a pay cut while others(management) don't isn't the way to do it.

Ill be all in favor of a pay cut via an amended contract, but that pay cut must be COMPANY wide, including management.

Like THAT is gonna happen.

Not once, but TWICE in different carriers I have taken pay cuts as a director and manager (along with the rest of management and rank and file employees) because the company was trying to accomodate an unreasonable union that refused to even negotiate. The ignorance and arrogance that you and unions show in times like can never be overstated.

Junior, you don't have a clue as to what happens in the real world of aviation if you think that management and other employee groups don't take pay cuts IN ADVANCE of unions when the entire company is at risk or heading into bankruptcy because of a CBA.

Go take another swig of that kool-aide while you think that union is going to protect the jobs of your brotherhood. When it hits the fan, and I hear as many as 20% along with 50 airplanes, I'll be watching as all of you cry. As I've stated before, I don't want to see anybody be furloughed, but an expensive CBA is nice during good times but falls a lot harder and the cuts are a lot deeper during the bad.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Because 19 is FOS.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Shares offer packages and early outs to some? That doesn't happen in union shops.

It's also traditional for non-union companies to reduce head count by retirements and packages rather than bottom up seniority furloughs mandated by unions.

 

[hyflyin]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Shares offer packages and early outs to some? That doesn't happen in union shops.

It's also traditional for non-union companies to reduce head count by retirements and packages rather than bottom up seniority furloughs mandated by unions.

Hmmmm, isn't Delta a union shop? Seems sometime ago they offered an early out and hundreds took it. And NWA, I think they have a union too, I know they offered a package a little while back as well.

And traditional retirements by non-union companies are usually people with higher wages being pushed out because of some perceived cost savings by bean counters. Seem to work real well for Circuit City. They pushed out their highest paid sales staff who promptly received jobs from Best Buy. Guess where CC is going now bob? Thats right CH 7. Oh and before you blame the economy, which had a small part in it, CC admitted they made a mistake. But its to late for that now, huh?

Once again, people like you cause people like us to create unions. People are tired of hacks like you.

See you Sunday at the pre-game show.

 

[imacdog]

That's a little strange, when I was at Comair, leave of absence and voluntary furlough were just a couple of the things offered by the company to reduce involuntary furloughs. Say it ain't so, B!

 

[993_Pilot]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Shares offer packages and early outs to some? That doesn't happen in union shops. . .

WRONG! It happened at Flops.

 

[brokeflyer]

Not once, but TWICE in different carriers I have taken pay cuts as a director and manager (along with the rest of management and rank and file employees) because the company was trying to accomodate an unreasonable union that refused to even negotiate. The ignorance and arrogance that you and unions show in times like can never be overstated.

Junior, you don't have a clue as to what happens in the real world of aviation if you think that management and other employee groups don't take pay cuts IN ADVANCE of unions when the entire company is at risk or heading into bankruptcy because of a CBA.

Go take another swig of that kool-aide while you think that union is going to protect the jobs of your brotherhood. When it hits the fan, and I hear as many as 20% along with 50 airplanes, I'll be watching as all of you cry. As I've stated before, I don't want to see anybody be furloughed, but an expensive CBA is nice during good times but falls a lot harder and the cuts are a lot deeper during the bad.

If your going to just insult me then you can go fck yourself right in your stupid azz.

since you are unable to have a normal conversation and take other peoples opions then you are now ignore.

cya

 

[B19 Flyer]

If your going to just insult me then you can go fck yourself right in your stupid azz.

since you are unable to have a normal conversation and take other peoples opions then you are now ignore.

cya

Insult? I speak only the truth. Look what GM did yesterday. 10,000 non-union jobs went yesterday that are way ahead of any union jobs. That's how it always happens, non union workers always take it on the chin first, the pain is NEVER spread evenly. It's always lop-sided. Those workers apply their skills and are just as dedicated as union workers are.

Apparently, you can't handle the truth and when it comes to insults, I've taken more abuse than any other poster on this board for standing up to my opinions.

My post wasn't insulting. If I wanted to insult you, I wouldn't have called you Junior. There are many more colorful and accurate terms I could have used.

 

[GerryG]

Rofl

That's how it always happens, non union workers always take it on the chin first, the pain is NEVER spread evenly. It's always lop-sided. Those workers apply their skills and are just as dedicated as union workers are.

Your right, shame these "dedicated" non-union workers don't also share another quality with their union counterparts. The balls to organize and defend themselves against the likes of you.

 

[fischman]

Insult? I speak only the truth. Look what GM did yesterday. 10,000 non-union jobs went yesterday that are way ahead of any union jobs. That's how it always happens, non union workers always take it on the chin first, the pain is NEVER spread evenly. It's always lop-sided. Those workers apply their skills and are just as dedicated as union workers are.

Huh.


Sounds like they needed a Union.

 

[shanes123]

I am having a very difficult time figuring out who the bigger idiots are? B19 or the people who engage in any kind of conversation with this Toole!!

 

[fischman]

I am having a very difficult time figuring out who the bigger idiots are? B19 or the people who engage in any kind of conversation with this Toole!!

I resemble that remark.

 

[gutshotdraw]

You stole my line Fisch....

 

[av8trinabarrel]

I am having a very difficult time figuring out who the bigger idiots are? B19 or the people who engage in any kind of conversation with this Toole!!

Aint it fun...I gave up a while ago with that moron, but it sure is fun watchn the boys smack em upside his head.:beer:

What better way to spend an overnight, than lurking in the shadows listening to 19's dribble about poor management this and poor mangement that....:crying:

 

[hyflyin]

B, "When it hits the fan, and I hear as many as 20% along with 50 airplanes, I'll be watching as all of you cry. "


Apparently things aren't to bad because I have been denied a 1 year LOA. I gave the company the opportunity to save money and they said nope, we want you to continue working here.

How sad for you, making up stories to try to create worry amongest the ranks. You sir (term used loosely) are a true credit



































































to the crap in my septic tank.

 

[B19 Flyer]

B, "When it hits the fan, and I hear as many as 20% along with 50 airplanes, I'll be watching as all of you cry. "


Apparently things aren't to bad because I have been denied a 1 year LOA. I gave the company the opportunity to save money and they said nope, we want you to continue working here.

How sad for you, making up stories to try to create worry amongest the ranks. You sir (term used loosely) are a true credit
to the crap in my septic tank.

There are lots of reasons why an LOA isn't granted. The furloughs are going to happen, it's only a matter of time.

The question is; will NJASAP open the contract to save your jobs or let the furloughs happen and let those get put out onto the street? NJASAP MEC alone has the power, it's out of your hands.


Oh, and if you are going to quote, be a man and at least include the entire thought. Let's get the whole quote... you left out the most significant words:

As I've stated before, I don't want to see anybody be furloughed, but an expensive CBA is nice during good times but falls a lot harder and the cuts are a lot deeper during the bad.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Your right, shame these "dedicated" non-union workers don't also share another quality with their union counterparts. The balls to organize and defend themselves against the likes of you.

Gerry,

It takes a lot more of a man to stand on his own and take responsibility for his own career rather than to go with the mob and let a union speak for him.

Everytime I see one of those stickers "My union speaks for me." I can't help but think that he is a coward and hasn't got the balls to stand up and speak for himself.

 

[-FlyAuburn-]

. The furloughs are going to happen, it's only a matter of time.

You don't know that.. period. To make such a statement is the height of arrogance and is just one reason why so many hate you. Also, what purpose does making this statement serve B19? Does it feed your ego, make you feel like a bigger man, give you the satisfaction of making people worry about losing their jobs, or all of the above? You're an a$$hole.

 

[GerryG]

Gerry,

It takes a lot more of a man to stand on his own and take responsibility for his own career rather than to go with the mob and let a union speak for him.

Everytime I see one of those stickers "My union speaks for me." I can't help but think that he is a coward and hasn't got the balls to stand up and speak for himself.

Listen B., you are going to have to try harder than that with me. I can assure you that it is much more difficult to organize a group of people, ask them to put aside their fears and stand together against a common treat than it is to walk into a managers office, hat in hand and ask for forgiveness. It would make your job easier, wouldn't it, if all your employees "stood on their own" individually.

I remember reading in Martin Levitts book about the alcohol induced dream/epiphany, in which he saw all the rank and file employees he had screwed over the years walking toward him in agony. I wonder if this will be your fate. Think about it.

Now I'm sure you will come up with some smart-ass retort, but in the end you know what you are.

 

[dash_trash]

Listen B... in the end you know what you are.

The word SCAB comes to mind! :laugh:

 

[fischman]

The question is; will NJASAP open the contract to save your jobs or let the furloughs happen and let those get put out onto the street? NJASAP MEC alone has the power, it's out of your hands.

The CBA allows for furloughs. Not concessions. I hope the pilots at NetJets have learned from the 121 carriers what happens when concessions are given. We lose our CBA, pilots get furloughed anyway, and management lines their pockets with gold.

IF NetJets comes to NJASAP and asks for concessions, I hope all the EBOARD does is laugh.

I didn't know that NJASAP had an MEC... Huh.:erm:

(We don't).

 

[wacoflyr]

You guys ever notice that when this thread gets toward the bottom of the first page, B19 starts it up again? LOOK AT ME! That's what he's really saying. It's working, too.

Wacoflyr

 

[B19 Flyer]

Nice conspiracy thought.

You guys ever notice that when this thread gets toward the bottom of the first page, B19 starts it up again? LOOK AT ME! That's what he's really saying. It's working, too.

Wacoflyr

Nice conspiracy thought. :beer:

Sometimes when I leave for a week or so various threads drop off the front page. When I get around to answering them after being gone, by design the system pulls them back up on front. That wasn't the only thread I responded to that had fallen off the front page, but as a conspiracy you can think whatever you want.

By the way, I believe there was no shooter on the grassy knoll and that Elvis is really not with us anymore. Jim Morrison? That could be another story.