B19 Flyer

[doh]

Bad management doesn't create unions, unions create unions. You are a pilot, you made a choice to become a pilot, knew the hours, knew the pay, knew what you were up against just like I did. We made a choice.

When unions were created they were there to help people survive with basic needs that couldn't fend for themselves in a society where they had no alternatives.

This isn't true in aviation today (or ever for that matter). You aren't pinned down by geographical barriers and have the ability to change jobs to better yourself and your career. That wasn't true 60, 70 years ago. You have choices, they didn't.

90% of management? Are you out of your mind? The kicker is, that you will stand behind your union and those running it with the thoughts that they are smarter than company management.

If those people were so smart, why are they not in the company management group making the money themselves rather than backing the company into a corner by making unreasonable demands? Is it because they don't have the skills to be a manager and the best they can do is be a schoolyard bully?

I fly for a nonunion shop. I don't want a union because I fly for a 10% outfit. But you will always be a tool because you think operations like Comair (former carrier) would be better off without a union. It was little better than slavery with a union. Without one it would have been a cocentration camp.

 

[Fozzy]

It was little better than slavery with a union. Without one it would have been a concentration camp.

That about sums it up.

 

[FLYLOW22]

That leadership team at Avantair looks solid. The COO, in particular, has GREAT credentials.

 

[Fozzy]

I love Google.

That leadership team at Avantair looks solid. The COO, in particular, has GREAT credentials.

He better have great credentials pulling in $229K!
As some people think pilots are overpaid!:smash:

http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=aair.ob


http://www.boatinfoworld.com/registration.asp?vn=345735

 

[FLYLOW22]

He must have lots of time on his hands to read Flight Info too.

Wow, that's the life.

 

[Fozzy]

Wonder what the shareholders would think.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

First round is on me for anybody headed too company recurrent on monday...ONLY, if we ignore mrs. ass clown. G200..you get a free second round strictly for the fact that I know you wanna put a hurtn on this fool. Time is ticking.......:beer:

 

[FR8DOG777]

Yeah he probably is and you're a really bad souless union buster. How long till we get released for self help and get to strike anyways?

 

[doh]

It does beg the question. If management is always working so hard, and you are management, where do you find the time to post on FI?

 

[B19 Flyer]

It does beg the question. If management is always working so hard, and you are management, where do you find the time to post on FI?

Maybe it takes a long time to post for you, but I really don't spend a lot of time on here.

 

[brokeflyer]

Maybe it takes a long time to post for you, but I really don't spend a lot of time on here.

You got your own thread.....whatever.

 

[Vdub Pilot]

Hey Bob. My Dad can beat up your Dad.

 

[G200_PILOT]

<sigh>


You must be a member of the MEC. :laugh:

That's some funny stuff. Since he's a good friend of mine, I can tell you he's not an MEC member. He's just a normal, everyday pilot that knows an a$$hole when he sees one.

 

[B19 Flyer]

That's some funny stuff. Since he's a good friend of mine, I can tell you he's not an MEC member. He's just a normal, everyday pilot that knows an a$$hole when he sees one.

And likewise I understand the attitudes of pilots that should be flying Beechjets and those that should be flying premier equipment at legacy carriers or at NJ. His attitude reads "beechjet" all the way and he gets what he deserves. To him, all management are a$$holes because those in management recognize his shortcomings.

 

[fischman]

And likewise I understand the attitudes of pilots that should be flying Beechjets and those that should be flying premier equipment at legacy carriers or at NJ. His attitude reads "beechjet" all the way and he gets what he deserves. To him, all management are a$$holes because those in management recognize his shortcomings.

NJ flies beechjets. AKA 400xp.

Proven wrong again. You're making this too easy.

 

[B19 Flyer]

NJ flies beechjets. AKA 400xp.

Proven wrong again. You're making this too easy.

Considering his screen name is bchjetdrvr is just a lie then, right?

Far too easy.. you can't get anything right, eh?

 

[fischman]

Considering his screen name is bchjetdrvr is just a lie then, right?

Far too easy.. you can't get anything right, eh?

What are you talking about???

You said, "And likewise I understand the attitudes of pilots that should be flying Beechjets and those that should be flying premier equipment at legacy carriers or at NJ."

I corrected you and posted a reminded that NJA flies the 400xp.

Did you not get your coffee this morning or something?

 

[realityman]

Sigh. I wish people would quit quoting B19 so those of us who have him on ignore don't have that obnoxious blue print jumping out at us all the time.

Hey 7777, are you starting to get the picture? According to B19 all us pilots are too stupid and lazy to be managers. And THAT'S the attitude most average workers are fighting at most companies.

B19's attitude is why there is so much labor/management strife out there. It's not that the workers are greedy. Or that management is stingy. Simply that management at most companies doesn't recognize the worth of their workers. B19 believes because we're not managers that we aren't smart, don't have any good ideas, or are too blind to be able to see areas in the company that could be improved.

Never mind that there are many pilots with AS, BS's, BA's, MBA's, or even PHD's, out there flying planes. There are many pilots who even run their own businesses in addition to flying. B19 just sees the moniker 'pilot' and assumes none of us have the smarts, education, or ambition to do anything other than sit behind the controls and monitor the autopilot for hours on end. He also assumes that because we've CHOSEN flying as our primary career means that we should be paid squat.

B19 appears to be one of those managers where if an employee provides an idea on how to improve the company, he will not bother considering it because it came from lowly labor. After all, a lowly laborer doesn't have the smarts to help things run smoother. After all, if he did, he'd be management, right? The only way to improve a company is to become a manager. Don't bother denying it B19. You've said over and over ad nauseum that if we can run things so much better, why don't we move to management. That says to me that no ideas will be considered unless we're officially management.

7777, if you've read this far, now would be a good time to go back and read X-rated's post in the other thread (I think you know the one I'm talking about). B19 says we have very little value just because we're pilots. But ask yourself, who is the most valuable person in the company when the best laid business plan in the world depends on getting that turbine engine repaired overnight?

We're all working together. We all share equal responsibility for the outcome of the business. We are all valuable in our own way. B19 doesn't see it that way. Has nothing to do with unions.

 

[fischman]

Sigh. I wish people would quit quoting B19 so those of us who have him on ignore don't have that obnoxious blue print jumping out at us all the time.

This is a thread about B19! What do you expect???

I'm going to continue to quote him if I wish. If his words offend you THAT much, better put me on ignore too.

I never understood the ignore function. This is FI.com. Does an anonymous person hundreds, if not thousands of miles away REALLY bother you that much? If so, maybe you shouldn't be coming to this website.

People who use ignore must have some thin skin.

 

[realityman]

Fisch, relax. Do you take everything so personally?

Here's a chill pill for ya: You're right!! This IS a thread about B19! I was going over several threads simultaneously and didn't realize I was making that statement under the thread specifically about B19. My bad.

As for thin-skinned, I'm not. Making generalizations like that puts you on the same level as B19. I have him on ignore because he has nothing new (not within the past year and a half or so) to add to any discussion. It's the same old thing every time. I don't need to continually have his opinions in my face in that stupid blue lettering on every thread, so I have him on ignore. It honestly makes it easier to get through many of these threads without is posts showing up. But as you can see, I'm not afraid, or too thin-skinned, to counter his arguments when necessary.