Awa Merger

[KeroseneSnorter]

PHX,


As for the network, and competing with SWA....the sad thing is...with the combination, I believe it's still smaller than what US was pre 9/11.....such is life.

U had around 420 A/C just prior to 9/11..........sad that after combining with AWA they still will not be anywhere close to that number.....................unless you want to start counting RJ's!

I sure am glad that my U senority number is only serving as a backup option in case I get furloughed from my current seat.

Good luck to you folks in the merger (AWA and USAir) I hope it works out so both sides are ticked off!! (That means it was a fair deal! )

 

[PHXFLYR]

Wow, see, PHXFLYR? You can be a nice guy!

Last week you said I would be stabled, and now you proclaim that I "will get slotted in once binding arbitration is complete...."

That's mighty nice of you, but, why the drastic change of heart?

Just wondering.....

Do you mind showing me where in any of my posts that I said you guys should get stapled ? Can't find it...can you? Didn't think so...because I never posted anything like that and never will because I didn't support in when we were in discussions with ATA nor do I support it now. Not only that I have made that fact known to our MEC. Can you say you did the same regarding DOH? And I have a lot more to lose than you, including the very real possibility due to my age and a stagnent senority list of never seeing a Capt seat . So do me a favor,unless you have a severe comprehension problem while reading,quit putting words in my mouth . It's getting pretty old.


As for the change of heart, it really isn't a change of heart. I always thought from a business standpoint, this merger has some significant long term potential . But most of the pilots on this web board are just too stupid to realize it. They much rather get their rocks of bashing each other and watching out for their own special interests rather than focus on the bigger picture,which is securing our future. Let's face it, if this thing comes to fruition, it's going to be up to ALL OF US regardless of where we came from ,furloughed or active to make this thing work. Because like I said in a previous post a few minuetes ago , it's gonna be up to us to make this thing a success, because no one else will. And if the B$ I see on this webboard from BOTH pilot groups is any indication of what the future has in store, then all I got to say is we are in for a really nasty ride. Is this what we envisioned for a career? Think about it!


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

PHX,

I don't think i'm going to get stapled. I agree it's going to goto arbritration, though from looking at the sentiment of the mainline MEC...I dunno, they may just rollover and give away the house to look good to managment. In fact they may offer to pay the AWA Merger committees expenses since AWA management is playing with that notion.

I agree with the fact it's going to take the collective group working together to bring this to something successful. Unfortunately or hopefully it won't turn into a east/west thing like US has the north/south.

As for the network, and competing with SWA....the sad thing is...with the combination, I believe it's still smaller than what US was pre 9/11.....such is life.




Either way, like you said, it's going to arbitration and everyone will be somewhat happy, and somewhat pissed. In the end there could be a lot of money saved...LOL

J4J issue, ya they couldn't replace us overnight, but some of the PSA pilots would love for the program to go away, as they would then have arguement for us to goto PSA DOH and basically washed back to f/o, etc......but that's another story....

And I guess a controversial one at that. Gotta tip my hat to one of my old DHC8 F/Os from my WO days. He worked his way up the list,checking out as Capt shortly after I left. He got hired at AAA about a year and a half after I got hired here and unfourtunatley was amongst the first to get furloughed. Rather than go to MDA or do a J4J gig ,what does he do? He reapplies at our old WO as a new hire and starts completly over. Said he didn't think J4j was the right thing to do for him and that as long as he could keep his AAA senority number and continue flying he would be fine. I offered to walk a resume in for him here at AWA ,but he wanted to stay with "the USAir brand" (his words,not mine) Always thought that guy was a class act when I worked with him. This proved it beyond the shadow of a doubt. True story.


PHXFLYR

 

[Crzipilot]

I'm sure he is. I too stayed away from the j4j deal for some time, but alas I finally succombed to it. Long sad story as to why, but ya...lots of controversy to the j4j deal....

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Irrelevant because you are new. If you had been there for 15 years, you would certainly tell us.

No because it is simply IRRELEVANT nothing more!! If you want to focus on something focus on AWA hiring focus on AAA be the premire furlough carrier and in big digits both in time on and number of!!! AWA furloughed a small number after 9/11 and they were back to work ASAP.

Miles,I am not going to get into this pissing match with you over this if you are involved you will know the same outcome as I.

WD.

 

[PHXFLYR]

I'm sure he is. I too stayed away from the j4j deal for some time, but alas I finally succombed to it. Long sad story as to why, but ya...lots of controversy to the j4j deal....

Just curious..why did you choose a J4J slot over MDA?


PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

No because it is simply IRRELEVANT nothing more!! If you want to focus on something focus on AWA hiring focus on AAA be the premire furlough carrier and in big digits both in time on and number of!!! AWA furloughed a small number after 9/11 and they were back to work ASAP.

Miles,I am not going to get into this pissing match with you over this if you are involved you will know the same outcome as I.

WD.

PHXFLYR

 

[Wiskey Driver]

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[BeCareful!]

Do you mind showing me where in any of my posts that I said you guys should get stapled ? Can't find it...can you?

Wow, sorry PHX....I must have grouped you in with several other AWA posters here who have consistantly and emphatically posted that all U furloughees had zero for expectations and were simply to be stapled. It's my fault; I don't take this Internet stuff nearly as serious as some, and so I make errors from time to time.

Your group, as represented on this website, is a fairly offensive bunch. You and one other (TWADude) seem more reasonable.

OK, so, while we are at it: why do you think your stance on the stapler differs so from that of WD and many of the other AWA posters here?

 

[BeCareful!]

Do what you feel you need to do brutha!!!!

WD.

Drinkin' already, WD? It's only 0905 EDT!

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Drinkin' already, WD? It's only 0905 EDT!

How in the H did you come to that conclusion???? Yeah but it's coffee!!! To early for you and this BS!!!!

WD.

 

[BeCareful!]

Dude, chill! Your avtar or whatever it is was swinging his bottle around!

You seem to have lost any sense of humor you may have had at one time. Except for your enviable position career-wise, I feel sorry for you.


Tell you what, I'll stay off the MB today. Maybe that will make it all OK for you. You can have the sandbox all to yourself. Happy?

 

[Crzipilot]

Just curious..why did you choose a J4J slot over MDA?


PHXFLYR

truthfully that was many beers ago, and finding it hard to remember why. Part of it was bases. I commute from the south, PSA had the most southern base. part of it was the late notices on a number of payments came at the time they were issueing the final call for PSA. And then of course seniority. I could have gotten a position at either place, but It seemed a capt. slot would open up sooner at PSA, as it turned out. 2nd week of g/s I was holding capt. there, But at the same time, as I was in g/s the capt list zoomed past my seniority, so in reality I could have held capt there too, just didn't think it would have happened as fast as PSA. Seeing as I'm not qualified to go anywhere else (by their standards, only have 5-6000 hours flying heavy jets worldwide) the PIC time is the last box needed. I was planning on staying in the non-sked world, and have quite a few contacts within it, but after furlough from my last airline in 2003, none of them were hiring, and or couldn't get the interview due to having a seniority number, or not the PIC time, so due to my career progression I was limited as to where I could go.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Dude, chill! Your avtar or whatever it is was swinging his bottle around!

You seem to have lost any sense of humor you may have had at one time. Except for your enviable position career-wise, I feel sorry for you.


Tell you what, I'll stay off the MB today. Maybe that will make it all OK for you. You can have the sandbox all to yourself. Happy?

BC,

It didn't have anything to do with you, I apologize. I have an internal rodent that I have to deal with!!! You are correct about the pirate with the bottle and my sense of humor being depleated this early in the morning, it's just that my tolerance for the BS is at an all time low this morning!! You have a good day bro and be safe out there.

WD.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Wow, sorry PHX....I must have grouped you in with several other AWA posters here who have consistantly and emphatically posted that all U furloughees had zero for expectations and were simply to be stapled. It's my fault; I don't take this Internet stuff nearly as serious as some, and so I make errors from time to time.

Your group, as represented on this website, is a fairly offensive bunch. You and one other (TWADude) seem more reasonable.

OK, so, while we are at it: why do you think your stance on the stapler differs so from that of WD and many of the other AWA posters here?

Maybe because I believe in the ALPA Merger Policy where it says one pilot group shouldn't benefit at the expense of the other. Too bad that AAA 73 Capt that gave me my DOH lecture jumpseating to work a few weeks ago doesn't feel that way. That would be just as bad as us stapeling you guys to the bottom of the combined list,don't you think? That plus the fact that unlike others ,both at your house and mine,I feel that this thing will get setteled by an arbitrator ,which I think is really sad. I mean why we just can't sit down and come to some sort of sensible agreement rather than letting lawyers and a
judge deciding the outcome is beyond me. But I have accepted in my own way that this is the way it will go and will probably cost me a Capt seat,too ,in addition to all the USAir guys and gals who have lost theirs already. But unlike my co-horts here who will continue to "rage on into the night" i will learn to live with it,or ,if I don't like the final outcome, or the "New and Improved USAir" simply resign and move on.

Regarding our guys on this webboard being a fairly offensive bunch, you and crzipilot are right up there with them . I kinda liked 321 Bus driver,though. Kinda your equivlent of our TWADude. I think he got smart,though and bailed
out of the debate.Can't blame him. Nothing will get accomplished by bashing each other here anyway.So I might as well go outand do something productive
like cut the lawn and play catch with my son. See ya in PHL ....ugh that means I'll have to call myself PHLFLYR ?? Disgusting.Where's that resume again


PHXFLYR