Attention Tsa Jumpseat Under Attack

[Shrek]

Quick question: Is TSA in CASS?

If you aren't in CASS, then I believe only your own pilots can occupy the actual jumpseat. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Currently we can ride in USAirways cockpits.

Can't wait to see the first mainline pilot we have to deny......it will hit the fan big time.

 

[redbook]

Seasoned pilots on here have been warning you for months about the Jumpseat Wars.... Now it has happened...

These are all quotes from pilots that warned you about this....

Hi Dan, its hard work keeping up with your b.s. but here goes..

"seasoned"? h25b and theo? Funny.
Are you trying to imply that you have the support of pilots in the industry for your alter ego whipsaw g0jet? Even the tiny minority who sling mud on this board qualify it with "but I still think g0jet is a bad thing".

Everybody knows this not a jumpseat war but a war against seniority jumping, alter ego joining pilots like you.

what exactly "happened" today? A piece of garbage tsa low life manager, MW, is attempting to put the squeeze on tsa pilots. And which side do you fall on? the wrong side yet again. Must be lonely for you and Dave T.

 

[millhouse21]

This is how the FedEx pilots feel at times....

Also, keep in mind that two ALPA volunteers have been terminated without cause for representing pilots....

Ummmm....try SIX!

 

[210FR8DOG]

I am not talking about as a jumpseater. I am talking about as a non-rev in the back with an open seat. Not as a jumpseater.

That's the way all the Hojets terds travel. Mgt. knows they would not get their precious kids anywhere if they were relying on the jumpseat like all the other airlines on the planet, so they pay for or provide non-rev passes for everywhere they go. And yes, you should talk to the Captain regardless of your status, it's a common courtesy.......oh, I guess you wouldn't know JACK about common courtesy, would you?

 

[sweptback]

And yes, you should talk to the Captain regardless of your status, it's a common courtesy.......oh, I guess you wouldn't know JACK about common courtesy, would you?

I disagree. If you're a nonrev (ie, you didn't fill out a jumpseat form, the gate didn't check your certificates, etc.), you are not jumpseating, and you do not have to check in with the captain.

There are flights where there's a large population of commuting pilots (DFW-ATL springs to mind). If all of those pilots had to check in with the Captain while nonreving, the flight would never get off the ground. I guess by your reasoning there the last time I went to Paris on vacation I should have checked in with the Captain, just because, right?

 

[h25b]

I disagree. If you're a nonrev (ie, you didn't fill out a jumpseat form, the gate didn't check your certificates, etc.), you are not jumpseating, and you do not have to check in with the captain.

There are flights where there's a large population of commuting pilots (DFW-ATL springs to mind). If all of those pilots had to check in with the Captain while nonreving, the flight would never get off the ground. I guess by your reasoning there the last time I went to Paris on vacation I should have checked in with the Captain, just because, right?

That's right... "Just because" has become the new industry standard. Or at least "just because" the TSA pilots didn't get those shiney new jets we all must redefine the word scab and participate in some lame a$$ jumpseat war.

 

[redbook]

That's right... "Just because" has become the new industry standard. Or at least "just because" the TSA pilots didn't get those shiney new jets we all must redefine the word scab and participate in some lame a$$ jumpseat war.

Another incoherent, illogical argument aimed at confusing the issue...take a classic whipsaw alter ego and muddle it with nonsense and buzz words..shiney(sic) jets and jumpseat war....good one h25b.

 

[h25b]

Another incoherent, illogical argument aimed at confusing the issue...take a classic whipsaw alter ego and muddle it with nonsense and buzz words..shiney(sic) jets and jumpseat war....good one h25b.

None of these are buzzwords...

"Shiny Jets" - Jets or new aircraft that young regional airline pilots somehow feel that they are entitled to fly.

"Jumpseat War" - A very stupid game played by young, naive, regional airline pilots who feel that this effort will win them some sort of support or garner some other desired effect other than the unavoidable reality of it backfiring in their faces...

"Classic Whipsaw" - A management tactic first perfected many years ago and came of age when many mainline carriers in the post 9/11 economy started outsourcing pilot positions to contract carriers such as TSA, Chautauqua, Mesa, etc...

I don't think the problem lies in that what I'm saying is incoherent, it's just that you're too blinded by union political senseless anger to see the big picture...

 

[redbook]

None of these are buzzwords...

"Shiny Jets" - Jets or new aircraft that young regional airline pilots somehow feel that they are entitled to fly.

"Jumpseat War" - A very stupid game played by young, naive, regional airline pilots who feel that this effort will win them some sort of support or garner some other desired effect other than the unavoidable reality of it backfiring in their faces...

"Classic Whipsaw" - A management tactic first perfected many years ago and came of age when many mainline carriers in the post 9/11 economy started outsourcing pilot positions to contract carriers such as TSA, Chautauqua, Mesa, etc...

I don't think the problem lies in that what I'm saying is incoherent, it's just that you're too blinded by union political senseless anger to see the big picture...

right...big picture...the one that depicts a one year atr f/o should jump ahead of 700 other pilots in seniority.
I guess I am too blinded to see that. Very complicated. Shiny jets. Jumpseat war. That is what we are talking about according to you.

Big picture:

TSA got new equipment...scumbags wanted to usurp seniority...they flew it.
H25b just keep yapping nonsense.

 

[h25b]

right...big picture...the one that depicts a one year atr f/o should jump ahead of 700 other pilots in seniority.
I guess I am too blinded to see that. Very complicated. Shiny jets. Jumpseat war. That is what we are talking about according to you.

Big picture:

TSA got new equipment...scumbags wanted to usurp seniority...they flew it.
H25b just keep yapping nonsense.

Whose seniority are you talking about..??? There are 2 different lists. No one got jumped over, Period...

You're just pi$$ed you didn't get to fly the 70 seaters. Nothing was stolen from you, you just didn't get additional aircraft. Yes it is very simple.

 

[redbook]

Whose seniority are you talking about..??? There are 2 different lists. No one got jumped over, Period...

You're just pi$$ed you didn't get to fly the 70 seaters. Nothing was stolen from you, you just didn't get additional aircraft. Yes it is very simple.

The tsa seniority list that the original g0jet boys came from, the list that they wanted to climb over. And we agree, it is very simple.

Whipsaw, alter ego. Junior pilots become management pawns and screw their fellow pilot over. Very simple. Keep posting alternate universe lies wont change the facts.

 

[TSA145]

To clarify the "jumpseat war" thing on *************************s.
The reason they get denied is because they are being turned down by every airline (except obviously on TSA and maybe United ??) to have a jumpseat agreement, not because of a "jumpseat war". Now in the case of jumpseating and getting denied on TSA, what would you expect? Besides I have heard of TSA captains letting them on anyway.
Further (even though we are two companies), TSA's pass dept issues them free passes on AAConnection and AA/AE flights thing that not even some of our pilots can get since their equipment and/or domicile may not support the AAConnection side of the operation. What a joke.
SP, DT, PP ancd others even went to the initial rally and stood with us against *************************s and then cross the over. What a bunch of scumbags

 

[LabMonkey76]

Argue carefully on the battleground so as to not get fired as some of our fellow pilots have, however..... the memo says that no OAL crewmembers are allowed in the flight deck. OAL being very general here, however the GOM section 1-3 4.1 Under "ACM credentials and check in requirements" Part B number 1 says that "Other Airline (OAL) Flight Crewmembers/Dispatchers" are not allowed in the cockpit anyway, and never have been. Part A number 14 specifies "Code Share Partner (& Affiliates) Flight Crewmembers" are allowed in the cockpit. This memo only specified OAL not being allowed in the cockpit, and this has always been the case. The memo was only posted on the wall and not distributed to everyones mailboxes. Hopefully this is just more propaganda to piss off the TSA pilots and cause us to unnecessarily piss off other "Code Share Partner (& Affiliates) Flight Crewmembers" as well.

 

[smokey999]

Argue carefully on the battleground so as to not get fired as some of our fellow pilots have, however..... the memo says that no OAL crewmembers are allowed in the flight deck. OAL being very general here, however the GOM section 1-3 4.1 Under "ACM credentials and check in requirements" Part B number 1 says that "Other Airline (OAL) Flight Crewmembers/Dispatchers" are not allowed in the cockpit anyway, and never have been. Part A number 14 specifies "Code Share Partner (& Affiliates) Flight Crewmembers" are allowed in the cockpit. This memo only specified OAL not being allowed in the cockpit, and this has always been the case. The memo was only posted on the wall and not distributed to everyones mailboxes. Hopefully this is just more propaganda to piss off the TSA pilots and cause us to unnecessarily piss off other "Code Share Partner (& Affiliates) Flight Crewmembers" as well.

Well said. You are correct on every point. Nothing has changed. "OAL" has never been allowed up front, unfortunately we are not in CASS.

 

[fuelflow]

To clarify the "jumpseat war" thing on GoSh1t.
The reason they get denied is because they are being turned down by every airline (except obviously on TSA and maybe United ??) to have a jumpseat agreement, not because of a "jumpseat war". Now in the case of jumpseating and getting denied on TSA, what would you expect? Besides I have heard of TSA captains letting them on anyway.
Further (even though we are two companies), TSA's pass dept issues them free passes on AAConnection and AA/AE flights thing that not even some of our pilots can get since their equipment and/or domicile may not support the AAConnection side of the operation. What a joke.
SP, DT, PP ancd others even went to the initial rally and stood with us against GoSh1t and then cross the over. What a bunch of scumbags

Other than Pinnacle and Frontier, I'm not aware of us being "turned down" by every airline. According to our js coordinator, we are getting a new agreement about every two weeks, which is fairly normal. Our commuting pilots have reported very few problems, and no problems on mainline flights. I always check in with the Captain on mainline flights when non-revving to feel them up, and most know nothing about us, and the ones that do don't seem to care. We haven't ever received positive space passes for personal travel - our travel benefits are essentially identical to yours.

I hope this issue is quickly resolved for all parties. As was stated earlier by several people here - there are no good outcomes to starting a jumpseat war.

 

[redbook]

I hope this issue is quickly resolved for all parties. As was stated earlier by several people here - there are no good outcomes to starting a jumpseat war.

dave, there are no good outcomes with alter ego whipsaw carriers. Certainly not for the pilots that have screwed over their fellow pilots.

 

[ReverseSensing]

I always check in with the Captain on mainline flights when non-revving to feel them up...

Talk about your travel benefits!

 

[redbook]

I always check in with the Captain on mainline flights when non-revving to feel them up, .

I wouldn't normally bust chops on spelling and grammar but in this case it is definitely a freudian slip.

 

[Tarzan]

That one was so good, I have to perserve it for posterity.

 

[smokey999]

our travel benefits are essentially identical to yours.

Uhhhhhh, not really. I'm only able to receive passes on code shares or affiliates. At GJ, many employees are receiving passes on American Connection.