Attention ALPA Pilots - Jumpseat for Cactus Pilots

[Tejas-Jet]

Well, being professional, would be not allowing someone in your jumpseat that is going to be a distraction and comprimise the safety of the flight for any reason. If you arent' going to be able to operate that flight the same as normal becasue of someone sitting right behind you, then I say it is your responsibility to not allow them in.

Thats funny, because at "my house" I doubt any of us have a problem with anyone's union affiliation. In fact, I have never even asked for anybody's union affiliation when they have requested the Jumpseat.

How about trying this...don't even ask what union the Jumpseater belongs to...then you won't feel like there is going to be a distaction or that safety is going to be compromised.

And for the record...never in my 24+ years of airline flying, have I ever felt like a jumpseater was a distraction or could compromise the safety of the flight.

As for not being able to operate the flight the same as normal...try doing what I do.

I operate my airplane the same no matter if the jumpseater is from my company or another...or if a check airman is observing... or if a fed is onboard...or if it is our esteemed Chairman....or if I'm in the simulator.

If a pilot operates their airplane differently depending on who is or isn't on the jumpseat...then that pilot has got bigger problems than worrying about who belongs to what union.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Well said Tex...my sentiments exactly...

 

[Mike man]

original US Air pilots can be identified by a small "A$$xxxx" on the back of their id.

So you can make distinctions when granting the privilege of the jumpseat.

Plus they shoot their guns in the cockpit.

 

[SteelerMan]

Your missing my point Tejas, and I'm not talking about union affiliation, I could care less. But under certain circumstances, I would deny the jumpseat. I haven't done it yet, but it is my right. Jumpseating is a priviledge, not a right. Thats what you seen to miss. If you have a problem with someone in the jumpseat, personal or professional, it is a distraction, could be for a variety of reasons. If you want to believe that you are so professional no one could piss you off enough to distract you, go ahead but that's b.s.

 

[Going2Baja]

Jumpseat wars help no one. Ease up!

Baja.

BTW - Deny all Mesa jumpseats!!

 

[MCDU]

I would love a J/s war. Would add some more spice in this entertaining life. I have not needed to J/S in 25 years on other airlines. I will have no problem denying ALPA pilots the J/S if I hear USAPA pilots being denied. USair carries a boat load of commuters and it will just make their life miserable. Game on.

 

[waveflyer]

mcdu- i think that this merger mess is just your version of days of our lives... youre like the housewife that actually cries when luke marries laura and then cheats on her... a drama queen.

i wonder if you would even know what to do w/ yourself if you didn't have a conflict w/ some group in the airlines- be it management- another pilot group- a union- etc etc

there are plenty of us though that have lives and are much more invested in unifying our fractured profession than flaming on the debates.

 

[Redmeat]

That god-awful neon yellow lanyard is too distracting. Find another way home.

Dooode...get a girlfriend, bang a crazy looking FA where you 'know' the sex will be freaky, find a hobby, get a dog...DO ANYTHING.

But quit getting on here and being ALPA's biggest cheerleader, man.

It gets irritating. You don't even work for an ALPA carrier and YOUR airline's origins/pilots/union have a lot of skeletons to boot.

I think in your instance it would be best to go by the "Judge not lest thou be judged' concept.

SHEEESH.

 

[Abernathy]

priviledges

yeah.

 

[oceandude]

just never learn!!

 

[CopilotDoug]

The DICKHEADS on the East who voted ALPA off the property should have realized the repercusisons of alienatating a brotherhood and sisterhood of 56,000 union members who welcome you as a guest on the flight deck of their aircraft.

What "brotherhood" are you talking about?!?

 

[PCL_128]

But quit getting on here and being ALPA's biggest cheerleader, man.

Sorry to disappoint, but no.

 

[jbvt]

That god-awful neon yellow lanyard is too distracting. Find another way home.

Did u jumpseat as a Gulfstream whore? Just wondering.

 

[Redmeat]

Sorry to disappoint, but no.

Whatever...but I'm suggesting a jumpseat war could open Pandora's box.

I'm ALPA, are you?

Maybe some day I decide if you aren't ALPA you don't ride?

Is the 'Tranny" ALPA?

 

[FR8mastr]

He did the buy your job thing because it was in his best interest at the time.. Why should he have to wait for quality time when he could just purchase it. All other pilots be damned, he needed to get ahead now, and what is wrong with that. Then when called the reply will be.... I was young and didn't know what I was doing, or something similar.

So the same guy that depressed wages and kept professionals out of seats directly, now casts stones in the direction of pilots that have never done such a thing.

I got my last ALPA magazine in the mail and did not see any stories about their number 1 cheerleader starting a certification drive at his company. Gee must be all BS

 

[trainer8]

Sorry to disappoint, but no.

Talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk.

 

[WickedPissa]

The problem here is who voted USAPA and who voted ALPA.

The DICKHEADS on the East who voted ALPA off the property should have realized the repercusisons of alienatating a brotherhood and sisterhood of 56,000 union members who welcome you as a guest on the flight deck of their aircraft.

When you bite the hand that feeds you, and you are no longer a welcome guest on an ALPA carrier because you felt your needs were greater than those of the needs of the other 56,000 brothers and sisters who brought you one of the finest contracts in the industry, (pre BK) you can see where the angst begins.

I do not advocate a jumpseat war, but if ALPA were to come out with a policy that says if you voted USAPA, you're not welcomed because you are a union buster, then so be it.

In the interim, you can rest assured that any WEST pilot, will gladly show their ALPA MEMBERSHIP card, even though being thrown off the island, will show that card with pride and professionalism.

Thanks to all the professional ALPA pilots out there who realize the WEST was thrown under the bus by the greedy Eastholes who were thrown a lifevest by the West brothers and sisters and now must go down with the life preserver we offered them.

Please ask for the ALPA card....I will always carry mine which say AWA.

Respectfully......Captairbusbb

They bit the hand that starved them you homo. Weren't AWA guys jumping ship to get to the real majors with the "pre-BK" and pre-911 payscales a few years back? AWA guys are a bunch of hippocrites.

 

[Caspian27]

They bit the hand that starved them you homo. Weren't AWA guys jumping ship to get to the real majors with the "pre-BK" and pre-911 payscales a few years back? AWA guys are a bunch of hippocrites.

There was a professional comeback. Calling someone a homo and an african-water-loving large mammal. Nice!

 

[WickedPissa]

There was a professional comeback. Calling someone a homo and an african-water-loving large mammal. Nice!

I was referring to your boyfriend.

 

[WickedPissa]

By your response, you must not have recieved a call from the original USAir for an interview.

 

[Caspian27]

I was referring to your boyfriend.

Made my point.

BTW, do you even realize that you misspelled "Hypocrites?"

That was the main point of my post....

Boy you guys are full of animosity aren't you.

 

[WickedPissa]

Made my point.

So your point is you get wet n' wild with African animals? Gross.

 

[WickedPissa]

Made my point.

BTW, do you even realize that you misspelled "Hypocrites?"

That was the main point of my post....

Boy you guys are full of animosity aren't you.

Why did you edit yourself? Did you misspell hippocrites?

 

[Golden Falcon]

Just out of curiosity, how were the seniority issues resolved when USAir merged with PSA and Piedmont (two other airlines they ruined)

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Your missing my point Tejas, and I'm not talking about union affiliation, I could care less. But under certain circumstances, I would deny the jumpseat. I haven't done it yet, but it is my right. Jumpseating is a priviledge, not a right. Thats what you seen to miss. If you have a problem with someone in the jumpseat, personal or professional, it is a distraction, could be for a variety of reasons. If you want to believe that you are so professional no one could piss you off enough to distract you, go ahead but that's b.s.

The only distraction I can think of that would really piss me of would be a pilot who was rude to one of our agents or an F/A....other than that...I say again...I got no problem with who rides regardless of the color of their lanyard.

What the US Air pilots now have going is a family squabble...and, they want all of us to choose sides...I say, keep it in your family, don't get me involved.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Just out of curiosity, how were the seniority issues resolved when USAir merged with PSA and Piedmont (two other airlines they ruined)

Date of Hire ...with fences...and yes, they really did ruin 2 good airlines.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Sad really, it's now 3 good airlines gone by the wayside due to the "rustheads" (a monicker coined by the Piedmont "bubbas") just rest easy knowing if you ever fly to LA Guardia, the "experienced easties" have already "explored" both ends of the runway...can't believe next time i visit PHX the America West livery won't be seen, it was a part of PHX...

 

[FmrFreightDog]

That god-awful neon yellow lanyard is too distracting. Find another way home.

You, of all people, should know better.

 

[greyskyracer]

Based on some of logic of above posts, I quess you also prohibit your American Airlines brethren from Jumpseating as well since they also broke rank and file of ALPA to form APA. This is a war we don't need to start.

exactlty

 

[PCL_128]

Maybe some day I decide if you aren't ALPA you don't ride?

Is the 'Tranny" ALPA?

Unfortunately, the "Tranny" is not ALPA. If you decide to exclude non-ALPA pilots from your jumpseat, I'll support your decision 100%. The jumpseat belongs to the Captain, and he can do with it what he pleases.