Attention ALPA Pilots - Jumpseat for Cactus Pilots

[Fly-n-hi]

Can't ya just feel the luv? I mean, who needs a show like South Park and 4th graders fighting when we have Flightinfo?

Now I forget, is it an east or a west mom on the cover of Crack Whore Magazine?

(carefully setting down the bowl of popcorn, and looking for my flame suit)

Its an East mom.

 

[FR8mastr]

You guys crack me up. You seem to be forgetting who has the real scabs working.

Not to mention all the posts about the ALPA brotherhood. Yea right. Most of you guys were over here salivating for the US demise so you could expand. Heck the Delta mec was openly planning for it. Some brotherhood. the famous quote "with friends like that who..." comes to mind.
No matter what the jump seat should be off limits.
Even if you hate USAPA you will end up hurting your "Brothers", that voted for ALPA.

 

[ASADFW7]

It is just like an AA guy who still has to say TWA. We had one the other day on our jumpseat to STL. I am sorry for you all but be polite and take a seat. No politics or old agendas please.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Maybe a stupid question, but if the jumpseat is "never to be used for political purposes", then why do we all deny the jumpseat to those on the "scab list"? Are you all saying you would give a free ride to someone you knew was a scab and thus sold out his fellow pilots for personal gain?

Now I'm not saying the USAPA pilots are scabs, or taking a stand either way. But I just sense a lot of hypocrisy going on out there and wanted to point it out.

 

[TWA Dude]

As always, I advocate keeping politics out of the jumpseat. 'Nuff said by me.

 

[SteelerMan]

Well, being professional, would be not allowing someone in your jumpseat that is going to be a distraction and comprimise the safety of the flight for any reason. If you arent' going to be able to operate that flight the same as normal becasue of someone sitting right behind you, then I say it is your responsibility to not allow them in.

 

[PCL_128]

That god-awful neon yellow lanyard is too distracting. Find another way home.

 

[flyboy006]

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Hopefully all US Airways pilots are still welcome on your jumpseat. However, for those pilots who wish to make a distinction when extending jumpseat priviledges, original America West pilots can be identified by a small "Pxxxx" on the back of their id.

All ALPA pilots are still welcome on US Airways west metal jumpseats.

good posting, really worth it.. tool

 

[flygirlqt]

This profession is doomed.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

This profession is doomed.

I 'second' that!

Look, don't have a dog in this fight, in as much as I don't work for the company, and also don't commute, live in base. That said, all I tried to do is inject some civility and professionalism into the debate when I said;

The jumpseat should NEVER be used for 'politics' Period!

And, the term 'scab' has a very specific meaning; "a worker who refuses to join a labor union or to participate in a union strike, who takes a striking worker's place on the job." (ref. dictionary.com)

There are pilots out there who have, 'crossed a union picket line, in an official strike' and are very much 'scabs' Pilots who are a member of a different union, for whatever reason, are not scabs; and if we start deciding which 'union' is more noble or professional, then we are destroying what 'little unity' is left in this industry.

What other criteria do we start using for determining who can have a jumpseat:

-whether a pilot works for a 'regional' as some say they have 'under-cut' the profession, or the likes of Virgin American, of JB, as some have implied the same logic.

-or maybe their position on the 'age 60' change, as that was a very divisive and important issue to some.

-or who they support in the upcoming presidential election.

-or maybe whether they supported 'Blu-ray' or HD-DVD. And, so on and so on.

I had an alpa card in my wallet for years, also still have a Teamsters card from years ago.

However, maybe on the chance that I have to ask for a jumpseat in the near future, maybe I will just show my 'BlockBuster Video Card' and maybe that will work for some of you 'small minded children' out there. Let's tear the 'profession' (using the term very loosely), down just a little more. Thanks guys.

I have NEVER denied someone a jumpseat for any 'political' purposes, NEVER have NEVER will; and for some to even 'suggest' or advocate it, is JUST SAD. Then again, I am still a 'profession' in a business that lacks alot of professionalism.

I have said my thoughts in this issue, and stand by my statement above (ref. the enlarged font, bold). Now, carry-on 'children'

DA

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Well, being professional, would be not allowing someone in your jumpseat that is going to be a distraction and comprimise the safety of the flight for any reason. If you arent' going to be able to operate that flight the same as normal becasue of someone sitting right behind you, then I say it is your responsibility to not allow them in.

Thats funny, because at "my house" I doubt any of us have a problem with anyone's union affiliation. In fact, I have never even asked for anybody's union affiliation when they have requested the Jumpseat.

How about trying this...don't even ask what union the Jumpseater belongs to...then you won't feel like there is going to be a distaction or that safety is going to be compromised.

And for the record...never in my 24+ years of airline flying, have I ever felt like a jumpseater was a distraction or could compromise the safety of the flight.

As for not being able to operate the flight the same as normal...try doing what I do.

I operate my airplane the same no matter if the jumpseater is from my company or another...or if a check airman is observing... or if a fed is onboard...or if it is our esteemed Chairman....or if I'm in the simulator.

If a pilot operates their airplane differently depending on who is or isn't on the jumpseat...then that pilot has got bigger problems than worrying about who belongs to what union.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Well said Tex...my sentiments exactly...

 

[Mike man]

original US Air pilots can be identified by a small "A$$xxxx" on the back of their id.

So you can make distinctions when granting the privilege of the jumpseat.

Plus they shoot their guns in the cockpit.

 

[SteelerMan]

Your missing my point Tejas, and I'm not talking about union affiliation, I could care less. But under certain circumstances, I would deny the jumpseat. I haven't done it yet, but it is my right. Jumpseating is a priviledge, not a right. Thats what you seen to miss. If you have a problem with someone in the jumpseat, personal or professional, it is a distraction, could be for a variety of reasons. If you want to believe that you are so professional no one could piss you off enough to distract you, go ahead but that's b.s.

 

[Going2Baja]

Jumpseat wars help no one. Ease up!

Baja.

BTW - Deny all Mesa jumpseats!!

 

[MCDU]

I would love a J/s war. Would add some more spice in this entertaining life. I have not needed to J/S in 25 years on other airlines. I will have no problem denying ALPA pilots the J/S if I hear USAPA pilots being denied. USair carries a boat load of commuters and it will just make their life miserable. Game on.

 

[waveflyer]

mcdu- i think that this merger mess is just your version of days of our lives... youre like the housewife that actually cries when luke marries laura and then cheats on her... a drama queen.

i wonder if you would even know what to do w/ yourself if you didn't have a conflict w/ some group in the airlines- be it management- another pilot group- a union- etc etc

there are plenty of us though that have lives and are much more invested in unifying our fractured profession than flaming on the debates.

 

[Redmeat]

That god-awful neon yellow lanyard is too distracting. Find another way home.

Dooode...get a girlfriend, bang a crazy looking FA where you 'know' the sex will be freaky, find a hobby, get a dog...DO ANYTHING.

But quit getting on here and being ALPA's biggest cheerleader, man.

It gets irritating. You don't even work for an ALPA carrier and YOUR airline's origins/pilots/union have a lot of skeletons to boot.

I think in your instance it would be best to go by the "Judge not lest thou be judged' concept.

SHEEESH.

 

[Abernathy]

priviledges

yeah.

 

[oceandude]

just never learn!!