Attention ALPA Pilots - Jumpseat for Cactus Pilots

[captairbusbb]

SunKing............APA was formed in 1963. USAPA born 17 Apr 2008.

APA was not formulated to overthrow a BINDING agreement that was agreed to by another party.

AWA and AAA agreed to binding arbitration for the culmination of two groups divided on seniority issues.

AAA demanded arbitration, elected the arbitrater, got the results, and did not like what the outcome was.

They elected to throw out the arbitrater's decision, therefore not standing up to their promise that they would abide by the arbitrater's decision.

So, they are not men or women of their own integrity. They say they will agree to the terms if the terms are THEIRS.

That is why it is important to understand if you speak with an East point of view,..........it's all about them and to hell with anybody else........No integrity, THEIR word means nothing except if it benefits THEM.

Get the picture?

Capt.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

The problem here is who voted USAPA and who voted ALPA.

The DICKHEADS on the East who voted ALPA off the property should have realized the repercusisons of alienatating a brotherhood and sisterhood of 56,000 union members who welcome you as a guest on the flight deck of their aircraft.

When you bite the hand that feeds you, and you are no longer a welcome guest on an ALPA carrier because you felt your needs were greater than those of the needs of the other 56,000 brothers and sisters who brought you one of the finest contracts in the industry, (pre BK) you can see where the angst begins.

I do not advocate a jumpseat war, but if ALPA were to come out with a policy that says if you voted USAPA, you're not welcomed because you are a union buster, then so be it.

In the interim, you can rest assured that any WEST pilot, will gladly show their ALPA MEMBERSHIP card, even though being thrown off the island, will show that card with pride and professionalism.

Thanks to all the professional ALPA pilots out there who realize the WEST was thrown under the bus by the greedy Eastholes who were thrown a lifevest by the West brothers and sisters and now must go down with the life preserver we offered them.

Please ask for the ALPA card....I will always carry mine which say AWA.

Respectfully......Captairbusbb

I'm trying to figure out just how big of A$$hole you really are??

First you state that you are Not advocating a jumpseat war; then spend the rest of the post pretty much doing just that, suggesting a jumpseat war.

So alpa national should only allow (or promote) the use of the jumpseat by those who carry an alpa card?? So, SWAPA, APA, UPSIPA, NPA, IBT are not welcome on your jumpseat. And, I hear the 'alpa de-ert' drives are being considered at other carriers, so I guess, if successful, these carriers will also be added to your 'no fly' list?

For the last time, the jumpseat should NEVER be used for 'politics' peroid!

And, those that do are immature, and a disgrace to the pilot profession.

Also, in typing this post, I have figured out the answer to my earlier question: You are definitely a "Big A$$hole" for even suggesting (or implying) using the jumpseat in such a manner.

DA

 

[johnny taliban]

entertainment

Can't ya just feel the luv? I mean, who needs a show like South Park and 4th graders fighting when we have Flightinfo?

Now I forget, is it an east or a west mom on the cover of Crack Whore Magazine?

(carefully setting down the bowl of popcorn, and looking for my flame suit)

 

[vetrider]

Usapa is in their very own category, don't disrespect the other fine independent unions by lumping usapa in with them. This is different, and all you hoity toity "don't use the jumpseat for politics period" folks know it.

Usapa is dirty, rotten, low down scoundrel politics at its worst(best?), why in the world should the ******************************bags get off scott free?

 

[captairbusbb]

Ok PlaneDrvr...........Let me explain it to you real slow so you can understand.

Call me an a$$hole if you will. That will make you feel better.

I don't advocate a JS war. I simply stated that you should show your ALPA card. (Are you a union buster or a union supporter). USAPA = SCAB....union buster. ALPA = union supporter.

Whether you chose a union buster or union suppporter to occupy your JS is totally up to you as PIC.

USAPA was borne to overthrow the NIC award. As a Westy, I can tell you it was not perfect. As an Easty, I got a windfall.......what a laugh.

The point is, the Eastyz did not like the outcome of an abritrated award, and even after they agreed to binding arbitration, and an arbitater they picked, they chose to decertfy a union of the men and women they chose to be their supporters.

With that......they are not men or women of integrity. They'll stab you in the back as soon as they get their free ride with you!!!

Is that who you want behind you in your flightdeck taking notes of all the faults you committed while giving him/her a ride you thought would be uneventual?

Please remember.........the Westyz did not start this war..........the Eastyz did.

Anybody is welcomed on my JS..........Just be careful of the possible backstabber behind you.......If he/she is a USAPA supporter.........beware!!

Satisfied??

Capt.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Can't ya just feel the luv? I mean, who needs a show like South Park and 4th graders fighting when we have Flightinfo?

Now I forget, is it an east or a west mom on the cover of Crack Whore Magazine?

(carefully setting down the bowl of popcorn, and looking for my flame suit)

Its an East mom.

 

[FR8mastr]

You guys crack me up. You seem to be forgetting who has the real scabs working.

Not to mention all the posts about the ALPA brotherhood. Yea right. Most of you guys were over here salivating for the US demise so you could expand. Heck the Delta mec was openly planning for it. Some brotherhood. the famous quote "with friends like that who..." comes to mind.
No matter what the jump seat should be off limits.
Even if you hate USAPA you will end up hurting your "Brothers", that voted for ALPA.

 

[ASADFW7]

It is just like an AA guy who still has to say TWA. We had one the other day on our jumpseat to STL. I am sorry for you all but be polite and take a seat. No politics or old agendas please.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Maybe a stupid question, but if the jumpseat is "never to be used for political purposes", then why do we all deny the jumpseat to those on the "scab list"? Are you all saying you would give a free ride to someone you knew was a scab and thus sold out his fellow pilots for personal gain?

Now I'm not saying the USAPA pilots are scabs, or taking a stand either way. But I just sense a lot of hypocrisy going on out there and wanted to point it out.

 

[TWA Dude]

As always, I advocate keeping politics out of the jumpseat. 'Nuff said by me.

 

[SteelerMan]

Well, being professional, would be not allowing someone in your jumpseat that is going to be a distraction and comprimise the safety of the flight for any reason. If you arent' going to be able to operate that flight the same as normal becasue of someone sitting right behind you, then I say it is your responsibility to not allow them in.

 

[PCL_128]

That god-awful neon yellow lanyard is too distracting. Find another way home.

 

[flyboy006]

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Hopefully all US Airways pilots are still welcome on your jumpseat. However, for those pilots who wish to make a distinction when extending jumpseat priviledges, original America West pilots can be identified by a small "Pxxxx" on the back of their id.

All ALPA pilots are still welcome on US Airways west metal jumpseats.

good posting, really worth it.. tool

 

[flygirlqt]

This profession is doomed.

 

[PlaneDrvr]

This profession is doomed.

I 'second' that!

Look, don't have a dog in this fight, in as much as I don't work for the company, and also don't commute, live in base. That said, all I tried to do is inject some civility and professionalism into the debate when I said;

The jumpseat should NEVER be used for 'politics' Period!

And, the term 'scab' has a very specific meaning; "a worker who refuses to join a labor union or to participate in a union strike, who takes a striking worker's place on the job." (ref. dictionary.com)

There are pilots out there who have, 'crossed a union picket line, in an official strike' and are very much 'scabs' Pilots who are a member of a different union, for whatever reason, are not scabs; and if we start deciding which 'union' is more noble or professional, then we are destroying what 'little unity' is left in this industry.

What other criteria do we start using for determining who can have a jumpseat:

-whether a pilot works for a 'regional' as some say they have 'under-cut' the profession, or the likes of Virgin American, of JB, as some have implied the same logic.

-or maybe their position on the 'age 60' change, as that was a very divisive and important issue to some.

-or who they support in the upcoming presidential election.

-or maybe whether they supported 'Blu-ray' or HD-DVD. And, so on and so on.

I had an alpa card in my wallet for years, also still have a Teamsters card from years ago.

However, maybe on the chance that I have to ask for a jumpseat in the near future, maybe I will just show my 'BlockBuster Video Card' and maybe that will work for some of you 'small minded children' out there. Let's tear the 'profession' (using the term very loosely), down just a little more. Thanks guys.

I have NEVER denied someone a jumpseat for any 'political' purposes, NEVER have NEVER will; and for some to even 'suggest' or advocate it, is JUST SAD. Then again, I am still a 'profession' in a business that lacks alot of professionalism.

I have said my thoughts in this issue, and stand by my statement above (ref. the enlarged font, bold). Now, carry-on 'children'

DA