ASA Voluntary Furloughs

[Jon Rivoli]

Everything is subject to change however.

Whoa! Finally, some wisdom on FI. That little sentence should follow every statement about anything in this industry.

 

[SLUF4]

If you look at our numbers the performance is already taking a dump. we have no reserve captains-I looked at the list yesterday and there were about 9 people on it. And with all the maintenance delays occurring, it has been a rough week.

 

[Tarzan]

What will the great Uncle Rico do for us now?

You sound like you expect the guy to walk on water. ASA and every other company out there has it's hands tied by the market.

 

[JumpersAway]

If you look at our numbers the performance is already taking a dump. we have no reserve captains-I looked at the list yesterday and there were about 9 people on it. And with all the maintenance delays occurring, it has been a rough week.

Just curious, are you looking at the 200 list or the 700 list. The 700 seems to be lacking on reserves and a little on the skimp side. The 200, from what I understand, is pretty fat on reserves...........for the Captains.

As for the gloating by Erlanger. SkyWest is just as fat on pilots as we are. So I look for us to lead the way with furloughs, then a following at SkyWest. I hate to see it happen, but technically, they lost more flying with Midwest Express than we've shed with losing the ATR's. Basically, it's a ******************** sandwich we are all going to take a bite of. I wonder if Erlanger is the same SkyWest IP that was in Atlanta durring contract negotiations- beating the ASA guys down with the "No future, gonna lose flying to SkyWest, ASA sucks" rhetoric. What a tool............

I was seriously hoping this wouldn't happen, and had been reaching at every excuse out there to paint a "no furlough" picture, but it's apparent that furloughs are inevitable. Only question is, how long will they last?

 

[Crash Pad]

Bloviation pause!

Can someone post some numbers. How many are in the unprotected class? Or what is the date of signing and I'll figure it out.

There are only 23 more FO's than captains. So can we expect a 50/50 downgrade plus 23?

 

[SLUF4]

looking at 200 captain list. haven't been fat this month. like i said, the reserve page yesterday was so short it didn't even scroll down at all...there were bout 9 or 10 people on it. Today is a little better, but if you look at schedules it seems like everyone is working. I'm guessing its just been a lot of vacation and captain sick calls this month

 

[GeekMaster]

Bloviation pause!

Can someone post some numbers. How many are in the unprotected class? Or what is the date of signing and I'll figure it out.

There are only 23 more FO's than captains. So can we expect a 50/50 downgrade plus 23?

The info that I got was that pink slips will cover every pilot hired AFTER 11/20/07. (unprotected) I've heard several accounts as to the exact number. Some say 137 some say 186. Either way that date is the determining factor REGARDLESS of how many accept some version of voluntary leave.

As for downgrades, I was told everyone is ALREADY in place and that as of now, no other downgrades. Their goal is to continue to have enough captains in place to keep ALL the line values comfortably below 75 hours. They've figured out that it's FAR cheaper to keep all the expensive pilots (10 years or so and above) well below guarantee so they won't pick up open time to get 95+ hours. They will continue to spread the flying out to below 75 hours for the foreseeable future.

Once again, it was stressed to me, EVERYTHING IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE

 

[GeekMaster]

It is also worth noting that if they do this, they may do it in rounds of 50 or so, spread over a couple of months. that's a personal opinion and not part of what I've been told.

 

[Tarzan]

As far the pay goes, Brad has answered directly that the company will not seek concessions from the pilot group. As far as lines go, I am not so sure about that. The problem with 75 hour lines with all the pilots on the property, it is cheaper to pay another guy more hours than it is to keep others on the property. The answer falls into how much the company has pay in benefits and taxes for each person. Come Spring Break time, I am sure you will begin to see the lines creep back up.

On a lighter note, the stock market has started back in the right direction. While housing prices have fallen significantly, interest rates have fallen precipitously as well. This bodes well for future construction and banks being able to move assets on their books. There is still more pain to come but the indicators point to a market that has already capitulated in both stocks and real estate.

 

[joeyfly55]

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[Texx]

It's important to look at ALL facts. IF Skyw increases ATL service in February, it's likely to be in the CR9. ASA's block hours have already been determined thru the end of March. Mgmt has been forthright with info on the CR9. Delta DID offer them to ASA at a 1 CR9 for 2 CR2 rate. ASA and SKYW decided that such a deal was not economically positive for the bottom line. If DAL needs more CR9 service in atlanta, it wouldn't have anything to do with ASA whatsoever.

Hmm, don't hold your breath on this one. You might be very suprised.

 

[GeekMaster]

Hmm, don't hold your breath on this one. You might be very suprised.

As I've said previously, EVERYTHING is subject to change. Mesa "could" actually go TU. Then, all bets are off.

 

[Freight Dog]

I'm throwing the BS flag on that. If it where to happen, Jerry would be an idiot. That would be a double kick to the nuts at ASA. You want to see our performance take a dump? Furloughing then increasing SKYW in ATL is a great start. Talk about killing morale.

What will the great Uncle Rico do for us now?

Don't worry about it man, just blame GoJet! It's their fault anyway...

 

[135wannabe]

Word on the street is that Friday Jan 2, pink slips go out to every pilot not covered by the contract. (11-20-2007) ASA I don't know the number. Some say 137 some say 186, but if your hire date is after that date, you will get your "involuntary" pink slip on Friday the 2nd.

When you say every pilot not covered by the contract, do you mean pilots that choose not to join the union? If so, wouldn't that be a good thing if the company furloughs all those pilots first before the union guys, since they were selfish for not wanting to join the union in the first place, like everyone else?

 

[Smoke Toliet]

When you say every pilot not covered by the contract, do you mean pilots that choose not to join the union? If so, wouldn't that be a good thing if the company furloughs all those pilots first before the union guys, since they were selfish for not wanting to join the union in the first place, like everyone else?

Wow...

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

We've been told 'what' about February first? I keep my ear to the group and ain't heard crap. Plus, while it's true we've never furloughed, there is no doubt our staffing is precarious and if something doesn't change within a few more months, don't know how long mgmt will retain everybody if our income continues to take a hit...

 

[GeekMaster]

When you say every pilot not covered by the contract, do you mean pilots that choose not to join the union? If so, wouldn't that be a good thing if the company furloughs all those pilots first before the union guys, since they were selfish for not wanting to join the union in the first place, like everyone else?

hmmm....never really thought about the non members. i'll have to check the language in the contract, but i'm pretty sure it says something to the tune of "no pilot on the seniority list" at the time of signing, without specifying members or not. also keep in mind, even the non-members pay the same dues percentage as members.

nothing was said to me to indicate anything like that. personally, i don't think that would hold water. i'm pretty darn sure that reverse seniority order is the way it's going to go.

creative thinking though!

 

[GeekMaster]

Ok, I've researched the contract for you.

The answer is NO PILOT WHOSE NAME IS ON THE SENIORITY LIST. That includes non members.

IT EVEN lists all covered pilots BY NAME in appendix A INCLUDING non members.

So no, furloughing non union guys isn't going to happen.

A personal word of caution.....to refer to ASA's non-members as "selfish" and "chose not to join" is inaccurate. You might want to do a little fact checking as to WHY some of those few are non members

 

[sperfly]

Ok, I've researched the contract for you.

The answer is NO PILOT WHOSE NAME IS ON THE SENIORITY LIST. That includes non members.

IT EVEN lists all covered pilots BY NAME in appendix A INCLUDING non members.

So no, furloughing non union guys isn't going to happen.

A personal word of caution.....to refer to ASA's non-members as "selfish" and "chose not to join" is inaccurate. You might want to do a little fact checking as to WHY some of those few are non members

He is the Captain of a Piper Lance give him a break, his outfit may not have unions and such.

 

[Tarzan]

A personal word of caution.....to refer to ASA's non-members as "selfish" and "chose not to join" is inaccurate. You might want to do a little fact checking as to WHY some of those few are non members

Word is that most of those guys tried to join but ALPA demanded full back pay. Those guys told the union to get stuffed.