ASA Voluntary Furloughs

[GeekMaster]

Word is that most of those guys tried to join but ALPA demanded full back pay. Those guys told the union to get stuffed.

right sentiment but still a little biased wording..

without hijacking this thread,

1.ASA has not "always" been ALPA.
2.When ALPA came on property some of ASA's pilots were former ALPA.
3.Back dues for some of those guys would have been VERY expensive.
4.not so much "get stuffed" as simply don't have that much spare cash laying around

 

[SSDD]

We've been told 'what' about February first? I keep my ear to the group and ain't heard crap. Plus, while it's true we've never furloughed, there is no doubt our staffing is precarious and if something doesn't change within a few more months, don't know how long mgmt will retain everybody if our income continues to take a hit...

One of the last memos from BS mentioned that they are working on part time pilot lines to avoid furloughs. I think that is short sighted and a bad idea, but I seem to be in the minority.

 

[Tarzan]

right sentiment but still a little biased wording..

You miss understand me. If I was trying to get in and ALPA wanted $10K worth of back dues, I'd say the same thing. How is your vacation?

 

[GeekMaster]

You miss understand me. If I was trying to get in and ALPA wanted $10K worth of back dues, I'd say the same thing. How is your vacation?

My bad....I honed in on the "get stuffed" part...others not familiar might not realize why and how much money ALPA wanted in back dues. It wasn't so much they didn't want to join as it was just too much money to come up with.

I spoke with DH once in depth about this. (number one guy on the seniority list) He will tell you to this day that he'd love to be a member, he just can't pay that much.

Not on Vacation....must have me confused with someone else.

 

[HoserASA]

My bad....I honed in on the "get stuffed" part...others not familiar might not realize why and how much money ALPA wanted in back dues. It wasn't so much they didn't want to join as it was just too much money to come up with.

I spoke with DH once in depth about this. (number one guy on the seniority list) He will tell you to this day that he'd love to be a member, he just can't pay that much.

But it's ok for those who are, and have been, members all along to pay their fair share right? Is that what you're saying? The amount would be the same for those who are members as it would for those who chose not to be members. They would just have to make up for the time they didn't pay. Only fair way.

Hoser
Roll Tide!

 

[Goose Egg]

didn't they already? I thought I heard that somewhere

SkyWest has not yet furloughed. There has been some talk of it, but it's all been rumor--management has no current plan for furlough, and this has been reiterated several times.

However, as a SkyWester (and a pretty junior one at that), I can't help but think that remaining so overstaffed for too much longer is sort of an untenable position for the company. But then again, as everyone keeps trying to tell me, I don't have the big picture. All I know is that I have an 85 hour line for January, with one CN trip. It'll likely be the same for Feb.

Take it one bid period at a time. That's all you can do.

 

[GeekMaster]

But it's ok for those who are, and have been, members all along to pay their fair share right? Is that what you're saying? The amount would be the same for those who are members as it would for those who chose not to be members. They would just have to make up for the time they didn't pay. Only fair way.

Hoser
Roll Tide!

Those non members pay the same as you and me. They refer to it as a contract maintenance fee. Someone far senior to me would have to expand on the "exact" details, but the way it was explained to me was that some pilots were not eligible to be grandfathered in when ALPA first came on the property. Therefore, some would have had to pay rather sizable "back dues".

I don't have an opinion on it either way. The purpose as it pertains to this thread was an earlier post that suggested those non-members might not be eligible for furlough protection. The contract is very clear that they do indeed enjoy such protection; even listing them by name.

BUMP

 

[HoserASA]

They are "grand-fathered" in and never have paid any dues, and won't. I'm referring to the very senior ones such as DH.

Hoser
Roll Tide!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Good luck. I think that this is the start of the storm!

 

[McNugent]

You sound like you expect the guy to walk on water. ASA and every other company out there has it's hands tied by the market.

Geez man, catch a little sarcasm now and then will ya?

 

[GeekMaster]

They are "grand-fathered" in and never have paid any dues, and won't. I'm referring to the very senior ones such as DH.

Hoser
Roll Tide!

I was told by more than one of my reps that they pay a contract maintenance fee equal to union dues; including those such as DH. That's why the association elected to include them in the signing bonus. Is that not correct?

 

[CFI2766]

Good luck. I think that this is the start of the storm!

For the sake of the guys that I've convinced that ASA would be a good place to hang your hat, even temporarily, I do hope that this does not happen.

More SKYW west flying in ATL after we've furloughed would be salt in an open wound.

 

[Texx]

I was told by more than one of my reps that they pay a contract maintenance fee equal to union dues; including those such as DH. That's why the association elected to include them in the signing bonus. Is that not correct?

You were told wrong. Hoser is correct.

Bump That!

 

[CFIT]

Well you guys better get on your knees are pray United stays strong. They go belly up and we'll see how 'never' works out for you.

You got that right.

But I think United is kind of like General Motors, in that the government wont let them fail. We'll see.

BTW, I havn't heard anything on expansion of ATL for next year. Again, we'll see.

 

[jehtplane]

You were told wrong. Hoser is correct.

Bump That!

Yes he is. BF is another one.

 

[Texx]

BTW, I havn't heard anything on expansion of ATL for next year. Again, we'll see.

As of today, no major changes for OO in ATL thru 02/09. Changes are done 45 days prior at the min.

 

[Texx]

Yes he is. BF is another one.

There are approx 20 grandfathered in.

 

[GeekMaster]

You were told wrong. Hoser is correct.

Bump That!

Wow, if that's the case, I sure was told wrong. Back when we were doing roadshows, I specifically asked multiple reps if nonmembers were included in the signing bonus. The answer was universal. "nonmembers would also receive signing bonuses as they pay contract maintenance fees equal to union dues".

either way as to bumping back to this thread, the contract is very clear that even nonmembers receive the same furlough protection.

 

[Texx]

Wow, if that's the case, I sure was told wrong. Back when we were doing roadshows, I specifically asked multiple reps if nonmembers were included in the signing bonus. The answer was universal. "nonmembers would also receive signing bonuses as they pay contract maintenance fees equal to union dues".

either way as to bumping back to this thread, the contract is very clear that even nonmembers receive the same furlough protection.

1. Don't believe everything they tell you.
2. The reason for the non-member getting back pay is a "legal" issue. Even if you are not a member you are still represented by the bargaining unit at that airline so they would have to include you in the back pay.

WHEREAS: The Company and the Association have entered into a collective bargaining
agreement dated September 15, 1998 (the “Agreement”) that contains a provision entitled
Section 28 Agency Shop.​

NOW THEREFORE BE IT AGREED:
1. Any pilot employed by the Company as of October 29, 1995, who was not a member
of the Association shall not be required to become a member of the Association or to
pay to the Association monthly dues or service charges or in any other way be subject
to the requirements of Section 28 of the Agreement.​

2....​

Executed this Fifteenth day of September 1998
This Letter of Agreement shall be effective upon the effective date of the basic Agreement
and shall remain in full force and effect concurrent with the Agreement and become part of the status​

quo in accordance with the terms of the Agreement and the Railway Labor Act, as amended.

Does that answer you question.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

ASA is a good place. I enjoyed my time there.