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GeekMaster said:
Wow, if that's the case, I sure was told wrong. Back when we were doing roadshows, I specifically asked multiple reps if nonmembers were included in the signing bonus. The answer was universal. "nonmembers would also receive signing bonuses as they pay contract maintenance fees equal to union dues".
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There are two types of non-members, those who are grandfathered and do not pay dues, and those that chose not to join ALPA and pay a fee due to agency shop. ALPA has a legal requirement to represent both.
 
Pilots not in the union are going to keep their jobs while pilots no longer on probation are going to be furloughed. I hate to say it, but if there are pilots not in the union, they should get the pink slip first too.

Read that entire section of the contract. If the union signs off on furloughs, then pilots on the property when the contract was inked are eligible to be furloughed. Who here has that much faith in our union leaders to look out for the interests of all and not themselves?
 
Cpt Oveur said:
Pilots not in the union are going to keep their jobs while pilots no longer on probation are going to be furloughed. I hate to say it, but if there are pilots not in the union, they should get the pink slip first too.

Read that entire section of the contract. If the union signs off on furloughs, then pilots on the property when the contract was inked are eligible to be furloughed. Who here has that much faith in our union leaders to look out for the interests of all and not themselves?
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Non-members, like members, are equally protected by the law and the ASA Pilot Working Agreement. This pertains to representation issues as well as protections in the contract. By law, they can be treated no differently. If you feel strongly about your position, then support the issue of making non-members pay a fee(same amount as dues) in your next contract. If they want to play, they should have to pay! They reap the same benefits!

There you go, thinking about yourself first, again! The contract was ratified by the membership(the Union). If there is/are any change(s) made, the change(s) would again have to be ratified by the membership(the Union). Did you read the entire contract? Are you in the Union? Do you trust your mother?

Now--You can worry about something else.
 
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HoserASA said:
Same as at ALL airlines, nothing new here! At least ASA mgt is trying to minimze the furloughs. Have to give mgt credit for that.

Hoser
ROLL TIDE!
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Sad to see the streak of "No Furloughs" come to an end.. especially considering I'm in the hiring pool. Oh well.. ATC here I come.

Go Gators
 
Speedtape said:
There you go, thinking about yourself first, again!
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Speed,
I'm tired of this statement that gets tossed out frequently. I do think about myself first. The union, company, fellow employees, and yourself are not going to pay my mortgage or keep my kids fed. In the end, it is all about me and keeping my family taken care of. I'm sorry, but if I can keep my job and put someone else on the street, so be it. You feel the same way:

Speedtape said:
I'd rather just keep taking YOUR flying so you can rot in the right seat!
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I don't want to see anyone on the street and would find a way to get by on the min line. But I'd rather see a few go than the company fold and everyone lose their jobs. Because after all, it is all about me. However, I can't blame the young guys for wanting non members to get the can before them. They are in the same boat with bills to pay and mouths to feed.
 
Tarzan you are a selfish looser! Let it be said again.
 
Would have thought SH would have keep this email until maybe the 26th. No reason to ruin those at the bottoms xmas. Maybe he was up drinking late.
 
If he would have kept the letter until after Christmas, then you would have been here complaining that if they would have had any warning, they would have spent less, and save a little more.

Dammed if you do. Dammed if you don't.
 
bigshooter107 said:
Would have thought SH would have keep this email until maybe the 26th. No reason to ruin those at the bottoms xmas. Maybe he was up drinking late.
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Well it's not like he made a formal announcement. You can read between the lines, but there hasn't been an official word of invlountary furloughs yet, just rumors on flightinfo. And we all know how credible this place is. Nothing like a bunch of dudes who know a guy that heard from a guy what's going to happen. You have to stop letting FI ruin your day, and Christmas for that matter. Good luck to all my fellow ASA people, and Merry Christmas.
 
Tarzan said:
Speed,
I'm tired of this statement that gets tossed out frequently. I do think about myself first. The union, company, fellow employees, and yourself are not going to pay my mortgage or keep my kids fed. In the end, it is all about me and keeping my family taken care of. I'm sorry, but if I can keep my job and put someone else on the street, so be it. You feel the same way:



I don't want to see anyone on the street and would find a way to get by on the min line. But I'd rather see a few go than the company fold and everyone lose their jobs. Because after all, it is all about me. However, I can't blame the young guys for wanting non members to get the can before them. They are in the same boat with bills to pay and mouths to feed.
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Couldn't agree more with this statement. There's an illusion out there that you care more about everyone else than yourself. Give me a break. Thanks for calling a spade a spade. It's true. Nobody on FI will pay my mortgage, put food on my table and basically "fund" my life. Read Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand does a great job of illustrating this point vividly.

To make a point think about this. If I can hold the door open for you, I'm happy to. If I have the opportunity to "tackle" you away from the moving vehicle, I'll gladly do it. If I have the opportunity to put you up for a few days (assuming you're not a threat!) get you back on your feet, no problem. However, if you want me to put you or your kids through College, then GFY. If you want me to pay you or your medical bills, GFY. If you expect me to pay for your mortgage the same. It's this "illusion" of caring people get carried away with. Caring for people doesn't mean you'll pay for their existence.

Trojan
 
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