ASA Voluntary Furloughs

[Stifler's Mom]

The Company is offering voluntary furloughs by seniority within the Captain and First Officer positions effective immediately (ref. 23.A.8.b). Expected recall as of today is not until 1st quarter 2010. If you are interested, please contact a Chief Pilot.
Scott

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Oh boy not good times ahead!

 

[JettBoii]

I'm signing up.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Well, I put in an extension of my MLOA until 2014 to help at least one individual. I wish all of you guys the best of luck!

Tim

 

[GeekMaster]

An extension of MLOA, coma, extended comas, early retirements, etc won't change what's going to happen on Jan 2.

Word on the street is that Friday Jan 2, pink slips go out to every pilot not covered by the contract. (11-20-2007) I don't know the number. Some say 137 some say 186, but if your hire date is after that date, you will get your "involuntary" pink slip on Friday the 2nd.

Good luck and keep your spirits up. ASA should be in about as good of a position for recovery as anyone.

 

[79%N1]

Bummer man. I guess the meeting at Delta didn't go that great. I wonder if Skywest will be needing to furlough, too, or if this is just ASA and Comair getting whacked?

 

[ohplease!]

Bummer man. I guess the meeting at Delta didn't go that great. I wonder if Skywest will be needing to furlough, too, or if this is just ASA and Comair getting whacked?

didn't they already? I thought I heard that somewhere

 

[Smacktard]

An extension of MLOA, coma, extended comas, early retirements, etc won't change what's going to happen on Jan 2.

Word on the street is that Friday Jan 2, pink slips go out to every pilot not covered by the contract. (11-20-2007) I don't know the number. Some say 137 some say 186, but if your hire date is after that date, you will get your "involuntary" pink slip on Friday the 2nd.

Good luck and keep your spirits up. ASA should be in about as good of a position for recovery as anyone.

So if the furlough happens, will the downgrades go at a straight 50% ratio?

 

[Erlanger]

I wonder if Skywest will be needing to furlough, too, or if this is just ASA and Comair getting whacked?

didn't they already? I thought I heard that somewhere

Skywest has never furloughed pilots in its 35+ year history nor does it plan to. We were recently told we will be increasing our flying out of ATL starting Feb. 1 st.

 

[Abernathy]

Skywest has never furloughed pilots in its 35+ year history nor does it plan to.

I wouldn't be so smug about it. Neither have we, nor did we plan to.

We were recently told we will be increasing our flying out of ATL starting Feb. 1 st.

ASA furloughing, SKW increasing flying out of our hub? Great to see Jerry looking after us.

 

[crj567]

Skywest has never furloughed pilots in its 35+ year history nor does it plan to. We were recently told we will be increasing our flying out of ATL starting Feb. 1 st.

Real Classy....

 

[Flip]

Skywest has never furloughed pilots in its 35+ year history nor does it plan to.

For the time being. Middle of Feb could be quite the eye opener.

 

[Hovernut]

Man, sorry to hear about that! I thought you guys might be able to ride this thing out...being owned by SKW with long-term lift contracts that DL doesn't want to mess with. I thought we at Comair being the WO accumulator were the only ones to get the beat-down, other than Freedom in their court case.

At least your company is offering voluntaries, unlike our messed-up management. The best I could do is a one month COLA.

Best of luck to you all. Thankfully, everyone's employed there through the holidays, unlike over here.

 

[DYLIN]

Skywest has never furloughed pilots in its 35+ year history nor does it plan to. We were recently told we will be increasing our flying out of ATL starting Feb. 1 st.

Lots and lots of 50 seat lift at SkyWest.

I don't hope your company furloughs but to think there is no chance of it in times like this is naive.

 

[GeekMaster]

So if the furlough happens, will the downgrades go at a straight 50% ratio?

What I was told is that everyone is already in the appropriate positions(s) for this. So, for the time being, no more downgrades. Everything is subject to change however.

 

[Smacktard]

Skywest has never furloughed pilots in its 35+ year history nor does it plan to. We were recently told we will be increasing our flying out of ATL starting Feb. 1 st.

Well you guys better get on your knees are pray United stays strong. They go belly up and we'll see how 'never' works out for you.

 

[CaribPilot]

Skywest has never furloughed pilots in its 35+ year history nor does it plan to. We were recently told we will be increasing our flying out of ATL starting Feb. 1 st.

That sucks big floppy donkey d!!k seeing as involuntary furlough is imminent on our side. Great times ahead...

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

Skywest has never furloughed pilots in its 35+ year history nor does it plan to. We were recently told we will be increasing our flying out of ATL starting Feb. 1 st.

"We've never, ever, ever furloughed and oh, by the way, sucks you just found out you might be losing your job, we're increasing our flying in your home base when you get your pink slip..."

Erlanger, you are a 1st Class Pr!ck. Now's not the time to gloat, 3 days before Christmas and guys learning they may be furloughed come the New Year. Show a little class...

 

[McNugent]

Skywest has never furloughed pilots in its 35+ year history nor does it plan to. We were recently told we will be increasing our flying out of ATL starting Feb. 1 st.

I'm throwing the BS flag on that. If it where to happen, Jerry would be an idiot. That would be a double kick to the nuts at ASA. You want to see our performance take a dump? Furloughing then increasing SKYW in ATL is a great start. Talk about killing morale.

What will the great Uncle Rico do for us now?

 

[GeekMaster]

I'm throwing the BS flag on that. If it where to happen, Jerry would be an idiot. That would be a double kick to the nuts at ASA. You want to see our performance take a dump? Furloughing then increasing SKYW in ATL is a great start. Talk about killing morale.

What will the great Uncle Rico do for us now?

It's important to look at ALL facts. IF Skyw increases ATL service in February, it's likely to be in the CR9. ASA's block hours have already been determined thru the end of March. Mgmt has been forthright with info on the CR9. Delta DID offer them to ASA at a 1 CR9 for 2 CR2 rate. ASA and SKYW decided that such a deal was not economically positive for the bottom line. If DAL needs more CR9 service in atlanta, it wouldn't have anything to do with ASA whatsoever.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Everything is subject to change however.

Whoa! Finally, some wisdom on FI. That little sentence should follow every statement about anything in this industry.

 

[SLUF4]

If you look at our numbers the performance is already taking a dump. we have no reserve captains-I looked at the list yesterday and there were about 9 people on it. And with all the maintenance delays occurring, it has been a rough week.

 

[Tarzan]

What will the great Uncle Rico do for us now?

You sound like you expect the guy to walk on water. ASA and every other company out there has it's hands tied by the market.

 

[JumpersAway]

If you look at our numbers the performance is already taking a dump. we have no reserve captains-I looked at the list yesterday and there were about 9 people on it. And with all the maintenance delays occurring, it has been a rough week.

Just curious, are you looking at the 200 list or the 700 list. The 700 seems to be lacking on reserves and a little on the skimp side. The 200, from what I understand, is pretty fat on reserves...........for the Captains.

As for the gloating by Erlanger. SkyWest is just as fat on pilots as we are. So I look for us to lead the way with furloughs, then a following at SkyWest. I hate to see it happen, but technically, they lost more flying with Midwest Express than we've shed with losing the ATR's. Basically, it's a ******************** sandwich we are all going to take a bite of. I wonder if Erlanger is the same SkyWest IP that was in Atlanta durring contract negotiations- beating the ASA guys down with the "No future, gonna lose flying to SkyWest, ASA sucks" rhetoric. What a tool............

I was seriously hoping this wouldn't happen, and had been reaching at every excuse out there to paint a "no furlough" picture, but it's apparent that furloughs are inevitable. Only question is, how long will they last?

 

[Crash Pad]

Bloviation pause!

Can someone post some numbers. How many are in the unprotected class? Or what is the date of signing and I'll figure it out.

There are only 23 more FO's than captains. So can we expect a 50/50 downgrade plus 23?

 

[SLUF4]

looking at 200 captain list. haven't been fat this month. like i said, the reserve page yesterday was so short it didn't even scroll down at all...there were bout 9 or 10 people on it. Today is a little better, but if you look at schedules it seems like everyone is working. I'm guessing its just been a lot of vacation and captain sick calls this month

 

[GeekMaster]

Bloviation pause!

Can someone post some numbers. How many are in the unprotected class? Or what is the date of signing and I'll figure it out.

There are only 23 more FO's than captains. So can we expect a 50/50 downgrade plus 23?

The info that I got was that pink slips will cover every pilot hired AFTER 11/20/07. (unprotected) I've heard several accounts as to the exact number. Some say 137 some say 186. Either way that date is the determining factor REGARDLESS of how many accept some version of voluntary leave.

As for downgrades, I was told everyone is ALREADY in place and that as of now, no other downgrades. Their goal is to continue to have enough captains in place to keep ALL the line values comfortably below 75 hours. They've figured out that it's FAR cheaper to keep all the expensive pilots (10 years or so and above) well below guarantee so they won't pick up open time to get 95+ hours. They will continue to spread the flying out to below 75 hours for the foreseeable future.

Once again, it was stressed to me, EVERYTHING IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE

 

[GeekMaster]

It is also worth noting that if they do this, they may do it in rounds of 50 or so, spread over a couple of months. that's a personal opinion and not part of what I've been told.

 

[Tarzan]

As far the pay goes, Brad has answered directly that the company will not seek concessions from the pilot group. As far as lines go, I am not so sure about that. The problem with 75 hour lines with all the pilots on the property, it is cheaper to pay another guy more hours than it is to keep others on the property. The answer falls into how much the company has pay in benefits and taxes for each person. Come Spring Break time, I am sure you will begin to see the lines creep back up.

On a lighter note, the stock market has started back in the right direction. While housing prices have fallen significantly, interest rates have fallen precipitously as well. This bodes well for future construction and banks being able to move assets on their books. There is still more pain to come but the indicators point to a market that has already capitulated in both stocks and real estate.

 

[joeyfly55]

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