ASA training dept. rumor

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The truth is in the middle

 

[rjacobs]

I guess I dont understand why all the ASA guys seem angry at our(XJT) union for wanting to better the contract. Better pay, better QOL, better everything. Is there honestly a reason why you guys do not want a better contract and just want to go with the status quo? If there is, I am all ears, but I just dont understand not wanting to get something better. That is what our pilot group wants so that is what our union is doing. The general consensus out on the line at XJT is that if it aint better, we aint voting for it.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I think EVERY single ASA wants more pay, QOL, etc. If I were staying here I would be willing to wait for it.

You guys have never dealt with uncle Jerry, he will whipsaw the hell out of our three groups and pit us all against each other.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I guess I dont understand why all the ASA guys seem angry at our(XJT) union for wanting to better the contract. Better pay, better QOL, better everything. Is there honestly a reason why you guys do not want a better contract and just want to go with the status quo? If there is, I am all ears, but I just dont understand not wanting to get something better. That is what our pilot group wants so that is what our union is doing. The general consensus out on the line at XJT is that if it aint better, we aint voting for it.

That's all Comair wanted...That's all ACA wanted...That's all Horizon wanted.....See a trend?

 

[JoeMerchant]

You ASA guys need to get some balls and stop being so afraid.

Our fellow Comair pilots had the biggest balls in the industry...Bigger than most mainline groups including the Delta pilots...In the end, the lack of a coherent and cohesive plan by our beloved union ALPA caused those large balls to be put in a vice that squashed them so hard it hurts just to think what it must be like to be a Comair pilot.

No thanks, I'll take big brains now over "big balls"....I'm not interested in having those big balls crushed in that vice....

 

[ohplease!]

That's all Comair wanted...That's all ACA wanted...That's all Horizon wanted.....See a trend?

well heck! lets just be Gojets or Pinnacle.... F this place if they can't treat us better.

I don't care so much about $$$ as I do QOL.

Until we get a contract that does NOT leak like a rusty bucket that keeps us from getting screwed on a simi regular basis, I will not vote for it. If our ASA union goons can't grow a set and get it done, I hope XJ's will.

RES sucks
inefficient use of RES's sucks
DH on last leg no matter the duty time sucks
extensions on the last leg of a 3 or 4 day sucks
waiting until the end of the month for or schedules sucks
screwing around on long delays an hour at a time to keep us sitting RR sucks
the list can go on and on and on and on...

Things could be SOOOO much better with changes that not only would not cost $$$, but would actually SAVE the company $$$ in productive HAPPY (er) workers....

come on ALPA, grow a set and get those scheduling retards out of our lives like you all promised the last time around AND if we voted in this PBS. If you can't get that issue resolved, get the F out of the way and let someone else get it done...

 

[nerjdriver]

I think EVERY single ASA wants more pay, QOL, etc. If I were staying here I would be willing to wait for it.

You guys have never dealt with uncle Jerry, he will whipsaw the hell out of our three groups and pit us all against each other.

You really need to read the transition process agreement that Mormon clow signed off on...

 

[COOPERVANE]

You really need to read the transition process agreement that Mormon clow signed off on...

Where would one find that?

 

[badog]

Listen people, let's just bump along the bottom like fishing because time is on our side. It took comair 10 years to crash and age 65 is up in just about 1 year.
The fact that hiring is about to start bodes well for us. For the lifers, NO MERCY, for the rest of us, bide your time and f#ck the company.
Full xjt pay till the last day F$CK this place in it's a$$

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Listen people, let's just bump along the bottom like fishing because time is on our side. It took comair 10 years to crash and age 65 is up in just about 1 year.
The fact that hiring is about to start bodes well for us. For the lifers, NO MERCY, for the rest of us, bide your time and f#ck the company.
Full xjt pay till the last day F$CK this place in it's a$$

As long as that's pre-concession pay plus an additional 6+% raise and no pbs... and other various improvements...... I'm with you. Everyone here will have a shot at the majors over the next 5-7 years I think. Make the move when you can gentlemen.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

That's all Comair wanted...That's all ACA wanted...That's all Horizon wanted.....See a trend?

Oh no! We should all cower in a corner and just be happy with whatever our benevolent management will find in their hearts to give us! Thank you, Sir, may I have another?:bawling:

Joe, you've got to be kidding. If it were up to you, we would all work for free to keep the company competitive so we could have a job.

Thank God there have been pilots who have come before you who actually had a pair a demanded fair contracts because I hate to think what this industry would be like if people like you had your way.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Oh no! We should all cower in a corner and just be happy with whatever our benevolent management will find in their hearts to give us! Thank you, Sir, may I have another?:bawling:

Joe, you've got to be kidding. If it were up to you, we would all work for free to keep the company competitive so we could have a job.

Thank God there have been pilots who have come before you who actually had a pair a demanded fair contracts because I hate to think what this industry would be like if people like you had your way.

Ahhh...The ASA village idiot speaks...

The CMR pilots had a pair and demanded fair contracts...Many others have...Despite this, the industry now pays less than half it did 20 years ago...Why is that Mr Expert? How come these big balled pilots haven't been able to protect our pay and work rules? Go ahead big talker and explain to us cowering in the corner why these people haven't been able to stop the slide...Go ahead, I'm all ears....

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

Ahhh...The ASA village idiot speaks...

The CMR pilots had a pair and demanded fair contracts...Many others have...Despite this, the industry now pays less than half it did 20 years ago...Why is that Mr Expert? How come these big balled pilots haven't been able to protect our pay and work rules? Go ahead big talker and explain to us cowering in the corner why these people haven't been able to stop the slide...Go ahead, I'm all ears....

The reason pilots haven't been able to stop the slide is because there has always been an ample supply of new pilots willing to do anything to get that quick upgrade and "magic 1,000" in PIC. Things are about to change as that supply is drying up due to training costs, tight credit and the degradation of this career to something few folks are willing to do for the time and money it takes. The Majors will never have a shortage of pilots but the regionals will and that is why you feel threatened.

Let's face it, you've made your bed at a regional and you don't want that regional to fail so you're willing to sell your soul (and everyone else's) to keep it afloat. You probably couldn't get hired at a major so now you're just a bitter 50 seat RJ captain hoping not to end up like the Comair folks back in the right seat after 20 years.

...and by the way, I'd rather be the village idiot than management's two bit whore.

 

[EngineThunder]

The reason pilots haven't been able to stop the slide is because there has always been an ample supply of new pilots willing to do anything to get that quick upgrade and "magic 1,000" in PIC. Things are about to change as that supply is drying up due to training costs, tight credit and the degradation of this career to something few folks are willing to do for the time and money it takes. The Majors will never have a shortage of pilots but the regionals will and that is why you feel threatened.

Let's face it, you've made your bed at a regional and you don't want that regional to fail so you're willing to sell your soul (and everyone else's) to keep it afloat. You probably couldn't get hired at a major so now you're just a bitter 50 seat RJ captain hoping not to end up like the Comair folks back in the right seat after 20 years.

...and by the way, I'd rather be the village idiot than management's two bit whore.

That sums of Joe Merchant. If it wasn't for PFT, he would be working at Walmart.

 

[Varmint]

Ahhh...The ASA village idiot speaks...

What does that make you?

By the way....do you really have a boat named "School Boy Heart"?

 

[Freebrd]

That sums of Joe Merchant. If it wasn't for PFT, he would be working at Walmart.

wasn't Joe reimbursed for that after he got that in our contract years ago when he was on the Neg Comm

 

[79%N1]

Just curious. Where does a company get the money to pay huge contract gains when they are basically breaking even? I'm not saying I don't want it, or don't think we don't deserve it......but where do they get it? The basic problem is, they can't just charge Delta/UAL more money, because the rates are set. So, where does the money come from?

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Just curious. Where does a company get the money to pay huge contract gains when they are basically breaking even? I'm not saying I don't want it, or don't think we don't deserve it......but where do they get it? The basic problem is, they can't just charge Delta/UAL more money, because the rates are set. So, where does the money come from?

SKYW said they would increase their income substantially (I don't have the number offhand) when they finalize the XJT ASA merger. That would be a place to get a chunk for ourselves. Inc has a lot of cash in the bank... Maybe they could get rid of some the the HR that is responsible for all they touchy feely programs ASA has..... They bought us knowing full well what we cost, and should have future plans other than slash from the bottom to add to their bottom line. I'm not asking for a 200% raise, but a little bump and improvements across the board in work rules (fine tune xjt's we have good work rules), retirement etc isn't asking too much. And add any good asa contract areas.

 

[ohplease!]

Just curious. Where does a company get the money to pay huge contract gains when they are basically breaking even? I'm not saying I don't want it, or don't think we don't deserve it......but where do they get it? The basic problem is, they can't just charge Delta/UAL more money, because the rates are set. So, where does the money come from?

1. fewer idiotic management decisions
2. fewer idiotic staffing decisions by scheduling
3. fewer idiotic decisions by maintenance parts management


1= stop pissing off the people directly responsible for making this "well oiled machine" operate....piss off the pilots and mechanics and count on getting NO help when the wheels come off as they so often do.

2= see #1

3= fix the f'n planes! damn.....

 

[ohplease!]

SKYW said they would increase their income substantially (I don't have the number offhand) when they finalize the XJT ASA merger. That would be a place to get a chunk for ourselves. Inc has a lot of cash in the bank... Maybe they could get rid of some the the HR that is responsible for all they touchy feely programs ASA has..... They bought us knowing full well what we cost, and should have future plans other than slash from the bottom to add to their bottom line. I'm not asking for a 200% raise, but a little bump and improvements across the board in work rules (fine tune xjt's we have good work rules), retirement etc isn't asking too much. And add any good asa contract areas.

take PBS...please somebody take this debacle, uhhh, I mean AWESOME bidding system.