ASA training dept. rumor

[ASACRJFlyer]

That's all Comair wanted...That's all ACA wanted...That's all Horizon wanted.....See a trend?

Oh no! We should all cower in a corner and just be happy with whatever our benevolent management will find in their hearts to give us! Thank you, Sir, may I have another?:bawling:

Joe, you've got to be kidding. If it were up to you, we would all work for free to keep the company competitive so we could have a job.

Thank God there have been pilots who have come before you who actually had a pair a demanded fair contracts because I hate to think what this industry would be like if people like you had your way.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Oh no! We should all cower in a corner and just be happy with whatever our benevolent management will find in their hearts to give us! Thank you, Sir, may I have another?:bawling:

Joe, you've got to be kidding. If it were up to you, we would all work for free to keep the company competitive so we could have a job.

Thank God there have been pilots who have come before you who actually had a pair a demanded fair contracts because I hate to think what this industry would be like if people like you had your way.

Ahhh...The ASA village idiot speaks...

The CMR pilots had a pair and demanded fair contracts...Many others have...Despite this, the industry now pays less than half it did 20 years ago...Why is that Mr Expert? How come these big balled pilots haven't been able to protect our pay and work rules? Go ahead big talker and explain to us cowering in the corner why these people haven't been able to stop the slide...Go ahead, I'm all ears....

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

Ahhh...The ASA village idiot speaks...

The CMR pilots had a pair and demanded fair contracts...Many others have...Despite this, the industry now pays less than half it did 20 years ago...Why is that Mr Expert? How come these big balled pilots haven't been able to protect our pay and work rules? Go ahead big talker and explain to us cowering in the corner why these people haven't been able to stop the slide...Go ahead, I'm all ears....

The reason pilots haven't been able to stop the slide is because there has always been an ample supply of new pilots willing to do anything to get that quick upgrade and "magic 1,000" in PIC. Things are about to change as that supply is drying up due to training costs, tight credit and the degradation of this career to something few folks are willing to do for the time and money it takes. The Majors will never have a shortage of pilots but the regionals will and that is why you feel threatened.

Let's face it, you've made your bed at a regional and you don't want that regional to fail so you're willing to sell your soul (and everyone else's) to keep it afloat. You probably couldn't get hired at a major so now you're just a bitter 50 seat RJ captain hoping not to end up like the Comair folks back in the right seat after 20 years.

...and by the way, I'd rather be the village idiot than management's two bit whore.

 

[EngineThunder]

The reason pilots haven't been able to stop the slide is because there has always been an ample supply of new pilots willing to do anything to get that quick upgrade and "magic 1,000" in PIC. Things are about to change as that supply is drying up due to training costs, tight credit and the degradation of this career to something few folks are willing to do for the time and money it takes. The Majors will never have a shortage of pilots but the regionals will and that is why you feel threatened.

Let's face it, you've made your bed at a regional and you don't want that regional to fail so you're willing to sell your soul (and everyone else's) to keep it afloat. You probably couldn't get hired at a major so now you're just a bitter 50 seat RJ captain hoping not to end up like the Comair folks back in the right seat after 20 years.

...and by the way, I'd rather be the village idiot than management's two bit whore.

That sums of Joe Merchant. If it wasn't for PFT, he would be working at Walmart.

 

[Varmint]

Ahhh...The ASA village idiot speaks...

What does that make you?

By the way....do you really have a boat named "School Boy Heart"?

 

[Freebrd]

That sums of Joe Merchant. If it wasn't for PFT, he would be working at Walmart.

wasn't Joe reimbursed for that after he got that in our contract years ago when he was on the Neg Comm

 

[79%N1]

Just curious. Where does a company get the money to pay huge contract gains when they are basically breaking even? I'm not saying I don't want it, or don't think we don't deserve it......but where do they get it? The basic problem is, they can't just charge Delta/UAL more money, because the rates are set. So, where does the money come from?

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

Just curious. Where does a company get the money to pay huge contract gains when they are basically breaking even? I'm not saying I don't want it, or don't think we don't deserve it......but where do they get it? The basic problem is, they can't just charge Delta/UAL more money, because the rates are set. So, where does the money come from?

SKYW said they would increase their income substantially (I don't have the number offhand) when they finalize the XJT ASA merger. That would be a place to get a chunk for ourselves. Inc has a lot of cash in the bank... Maybe they could get rid of some the the HR that is responsible for all they touchy feely programs ASA has..... They bought us knowing full well what we cost, and should have future plans other than slash from the bottom to add to their bottom line. I'm not asking for a 200% raise, but a little bump and improvements across the board in work rules (fine tune xjt's we have good work rules), retirement etc isn't asking too much. And add any good asa contract areas.

 

[ohplease!]

Just curious. Where does a company get the money to pay huge contract gains when they are basically breaking even? I'm not saying I don't want it, or don't think we don't deserve it......but where do they get it? The basic problem is, they can't just charge Delta/UAL more money, because the rates are set. So, where does the money come from?

1. fewer idiotic management decisions
2. fewer idiotic staffing decisions by scheduling
3. fewer idiotic decisions by maintenance parts management


1= stop pissing off the people directly responsible for making this "well oiled machine" operate....piss off the pilots and mechanics and count on getting NO help when the wheels come off as they so often do.

2= see #1

3= fix the f'n planes! damn.....

 

[ohplease!]

SKYW said they would increase their income substantially (I don't have the number offhand) when they finalize the XJT ASA merger. That would be a place to get a chunk for ourselves. Inc has a lot of cash in the bank... Maybe they could get rid of some the the HR that is responsible for all they touchy feely programs ASA has..... They bought us knowing full well what we cost, and should have future plans other than slash from the bottom to add to their bottom line. I'm not asking for a 200% raise, but a little bump and improvements across the board in work rules (fine tune xjt's we have good work rules), retirement etc isn't asking too much. And add any good asa contract areas.

take PBS...please somebody take this debacle, uhhh, I mean AWESOME bidding system.

 

[aa30]

At Express, we've seen 200% pay offered to pick up open time for the better part of the year. I'd say that's a great place to start "looking" for some money to fund a pay increase. Frankly, I think it's a great place to start the negotiations. Another place? How about all the management bonu$e$? How about all the duplicated middle-management positions on the Express side?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

As long as that's pre-concession pay plus an additional 6+% raise and no pbs... and other various improvements...... I'm with you. Everyone here will have a shot at the majors over the next 5-7 years I think. Make the move when you can gentlemen.

Ding,
Winnah, the worst, most expensive thing you can do to Brad is leave, he hates large scale training costs like he hates the sun, garlic, silver, and holy water all put together, never mind wood stakes...

 

[Baronman]

If Skywest Inc is so worried about costs, wouldn't there be significant savings in merging Skywest Airlines and ASA? Isn't that the stated benefit of merging ASA and XJT? And the latter don't even have a common fleet type.

ASA and Skywest, all with Bombadier products should have plenty of commonality that would save millions.

My conclusion, they're not hurting that bad yet....But they'll be happy to nickle and dime the hell out of our combined contract.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

If Skywest Inc is so worried about costs, wouldn't there be significant savings in merging Skywest Airlines and ASA? Isn't that the stated benefit of merging ASA and XJT? And the latter don't even have a common fleet type.

ASA and Skywest, all with Bombadier products should have plenty of commonality that would save millions.

My conclusion, they're not hurting that bad yet....But they'll be happy to nickle and dime the hell out of our combined contract.

You won't like the answer. Inc bought ASA because they thought they could make money, they now realize that it isn't quite as easy as they thought, they are having to work at squeezing blood from your stone, but they will continue because they are determined. DAL wanted to get away from owning multiple airlines and Inc was their favorite non union carrier to relieve them of that burden. If DAL decides that they don't want a whole bunch of 50 seaters, how do you think they would get rid of them? Do you think that it is a coincidence that Inc bought 2 carriers that were the some of the largest 50 seat operators for their respective partners. Inc is rabid, foaming at the mouth anti-unionites, and if momma D or papa UCon said we don't want those pesky, expensive gas guzzling 50 seaters, but need a ready pool of freshly unemployed pilots, what do you think Inc would do? Why hasn't the merger been completed? You guys are livestock, circling in a Temple Grandlin fashion, waiting to be turned into hamburger to feed the grist mill that we all work in. Why do you think Brad is still is on the SKYW seniority list, they sent one of the family's own hatchet man to do the dirty work? Inc will never merge SKYW with anyone else, it's their pristine baby and they want to keep it un-diluted.

 

[sweptback]

If Skywest Inc is so worried about costs, wouldn't there be significant savings in merging Skywest Airlines and ASA? Isn't that the stated benefit of merging ASA and XJT? And the latter don't even have a common fleet type.

But that would eliminate tens of high-paying management jobs! And since the "job creators" are the ones that make these decisions, how likely is it that a merger actually happens?