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Speedtape said:
Hopefully, everyone above me in seniority has the same general and casual attitude about it as you.
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There is nothing casual about my attitude. I suspect that PBS will carry disappointment all around. The Union did a spectacular job of selling this PBS. At the roadshow I attended, the Union reps said that PBS allows you to "pick the trips that you want". This is deceptive. The system allows you to bid on trips, but I suspect that the majority of pilots believe that they will get whatever they ask for.
I'm waiting for people to figure out the pay cap (TLV+15, with not much in the open time pot to plus up your line), and I'm preparing for the general outcry when people are working five or six days in a row. I expect the pilots to regret the lack of trip rigs/minimum trip credit language passionately. The pilot group was apparently willing to trade a lot away for a vague promise of "growth" and a supremely flashy and dazzling demonstration of Flica, and I expect that many of the 83% are in for some rude surprises.
That being said, I think that anyone who thinks that Flica PBS will give them whatever they want (be it days off, specific trips, or a particular schedule) every time is a fool. The PBS system we voted in allows us to bid for things. Whether you get what you ask for depends on your seniority. With regard to your comment, Speedtape, I wanted to point out that your blanket statement that Prefbid will give you the days off that you ask for is erroneous.
I am also not casual at all about the learning curve that this system is going to require. The Union's demonstration at the roadshow left me feeling maudlin as I used to be able to do my bid in about 10 minutes. I suspect that to truly get the performance I desire out of the system, I am going spend hours not only learning the system, but also hours every month to work out my bid. A Delta mainline guy who uses Flica told me that he gave up on the hours long but excellent results option. It just takes too long to do his bid. He spends an hour or so, and just accepts what he gets.
Finally, I desperately want to be entirely wrong on PBS. I have marked my calendar for a year from now to report publicly if I am a Speedtape Disciple of Flica PBS(tm). I really, really hope that PBS is a certifiable Boatload Of Awesome. I honestly don't expect to be, but I very much want to be wrong about all the problems that I foresee, let alone all the unintended and still unknown consequences. But my opinions do not matter one bit as we all voted, and PBS is here, and no amount of dissent will change that fact. Whether you like PBS or not, whether you voted yea or nay, whether you are a knuckle dragging mouth breather or a genius from another dimension, PBS is here and the game has changed. Adapt or suffer. I, for one, intend to be spooled up and ready to go when the system goes live.
 
Poppa Hodax said:
There is nothing casual about my attitude. I suspect that PBS will carry disappointment all around. The Union did a spectacular job of selling this PBS. 1) At the roadshow I attended, the Union reps said that PBS allows you to "pick the trips that you want". This is deceptive. The system allows you to bid on trips, but I suspect that the majority of pilots believe that they will get whatever they ask for.
I'm waiting for people to figure out the pay cap (TLV+15, with not much in the open time pot to plus up your line), and I'm preparing for the general outcry when people are working five or six days in a row. I expect the pilots to regret the lack of trip rigs/minimum trip credit language passionately. 2) The pilot group was apparently willing to trade a lot away for a vague promise of "growth" and a supremely flashy and dazzling demonstration of Flica, and I expect that many of the 83% are in for some rude surprises.
That being said, I think that anyone who thinks that Flica PBS will give them whatever they want (be it days off, specific trips, or a particular schedule) every time is a fool. The PBS system we voted in allows us to bid for things. Whether you get what you ask for depends on your seniority. With regard to your comment, Speedtape, I wanted to point out that your blanket statement that Prefbid will give you the days off that you ask for is erroneous.
I am also not casual at all about the learning curve that this system is going to require. 3) The Union's demonstration at the roadshow left me feeling maudlin as I used to be able to do my bid in about 10 minutes. I suspect that to truly get the performance I desire out of the system, I am going spend hours not only learning the system, but also hours every month to work out my bid. A Delta mainline guy who uses Flica told me that he gave up on the hours long but excellent results option. It just takes too long to do his bid. He spends an hour or so, and just accepts what he gets.
Finally, I desperately want to be entirely wrong on PBS. I have marked my calendar for a year from now to report publicly if I am a Speedtape Disciple of Flica PBS(tm). 4) I really, really hope that PBS is a certifiable Boatload Of Awesome. I honestly don't expect to be, but I very much want to be wrong about all the problems that I foresee, let alone all the unintended and still unknown consequences. But my opinions do not matter one bit as we all voted, and PBS is here, and no amount of dissent will change that fact. Whether you like PBS or not, whether you voted yea or nay, whether you are a knuckle dragging mouth breather or a genius from another dimension, PBS is here and the game has changed. Adapt or suffer. 5) I, for one, intend to be spooled up and ready to go when the system goes live.
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1) You can go in an bid trips by ordering how you like them. Will you get them? Depends on seniority.
2) I doubt you heard any rep say there would be growth as a result. However, without it and the norm for the industry is with it, we price ourselves out. Simple fact. We adapt and survive or we don't and watch the flying leave piece at a time.
3) Depends on what you want out of your schedule. There certain overnights I don't want and days that I want to work. Along with hours that I can get. I just don't see how I can spend hours doing this unless I go and order every single trip. I don't plan to do that.
4) I don't expect it. It is a bidding system. We still have to come to work and sit around and stare at walls for three hours sometimes. It will still suck if you think it sucks now. It will still be okay if you have a little bit more of a cheery perspective.
5) I think that will be the best any of us can do. Let the rest of chips fall where they will and deal with the rest in MOU and Section 6.
 
Well it looks like the MEC is starting to figure out the crap storm they pushed on us will be a big pay cut for the top 50%. They are figuring out that the company can set the line value at 60hrs and with the +/- 15 that is a top of 75hrs for the month every month not just Sept and Jan. Add to that no open time with pbs and no language for trip pairings you will fly 4 crap trips for 70-75hrs. Everyone at min pay, brilliant! Now the company is fighting the Mec on intent so bad they may have to put the PBS back out for a new vote. Like I said before look at the red arrow BS, and now they can't even agree on what they agreed on for pbs to get it even started.
Speedtape may have to apologize sooner than I thought! :)
 
Told ya, now wait till Brad turns the skrew skeduling morons loose!
I would laugh if it wasn't so pathetic.
PBR
 
maxcackel said:
Well it looks like the MEC is starting to figure out the crap storm they pushed on us will be a big pay cut for the top 50%. They are figuring out that the company can set the line value at 60hrs and with the +/- 15 that is a top of 75hrs for the month every month not just Sept and Jan. Add to that no open time with pbs and no language for trip pairings you will fly 4 crap trips for 70-75hrs. Everyone at min pay, brilliant! Now the company is fighting the Mec on intent so bad they may have to put the PBS back out for a new vote. Like I said before look at the red arrow BS, and now they can't even agree on what they agreed on for pbs to get it even started.
Speedtape may have to apologize sooner than I thought! :)
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Haven't heard anything about this so can't validate if its true. However if it is true that is huge cost savings for the company. Basically eliminating the disadvantage ASA has of being a more senior pilot group. Save money, gain more flying, then bring back the furloughs. Nobody flies over 75 hrs until the furloughs come back. Thats how it should be. If somebody doesn't like it because of the pay, tell your reps to negotiate higher monthly guarantee.
 
So I already took a 40% paycut and now you want me to bring myself down to guarantee? I'm sorry but I just can't do that....
 
maxcackel said:
Well it looks like the MEC is starting to figure out the crap storm they pushed on us will be a big pay cut for the top 50%. They are figuring out that the company can set the line value at 60hrs and with the +/- 15 that is a top of 75hrs for the month every month not just Sept and Jan. Add to that no open time with pbs and no language for trip pairings you will fly 4 crap trips for 70-75hrs. Everyone at min pay, brilliant! Now the company is fighting the Mec on intent so bad they may have to put the PBS back out for a new vote. Like I said before look at the red arrow BS, and now they can't even agree on what they agreed on for pbs to get it even started.
Speedtape may have to apologize sooner than I thought! :)
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maxcackel,

Who is your source from the MEC?
 
Cpt Oveur said:
There is no bright side to pilots getting furloughed. How far are you from the bottom?
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I am all for the furloughs coming back. Someone was complaining about a 40% paycut and not want to reduce down to guarantee. I was just trying to point out that there are 136 fine guys and gals in a much worse position.
 

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