ASA Merger Committee

[wms]

Oh this ought to be fun. You do realize that ASA is outnumbered and XJT pilots will control the union through a roll call vote don't you? Jack wagon.

Keep talking date of hire all you want. Aint gonna happen. It's not fair and equitable and the XJT guys will shut the freaking doors. We're already gonna get your shiity contract shoved up our as$es. You want us to cry twice? I don't think so.

The seniority merger is not up for a vote by the group. However, after the merger I'm looking forward to the changes the XE MEC will bring to the pilot group. I think is't safe to say the majority of the new MEC will be former XE MEC members.

 

[outtahere]

Agree 100% there, our mec is the biggest bunch of pacifists I've ever seen. There is a time and a place for a relative seniority merger, am west/ us air, relative. Compass/transstates, doh. Asa xjt, doh is fair.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Agree 100% there, our mec is the biggest bunch of pacifists I've ever seen.

They aren't "pacifists"....They are pragmatic realists with the ability to reason logically...Something we should want in our union leaders.

 

[outtahere]

Nah, I prefer militant and hard headed. Maybe then we wouldn't have red arrows everywhere, and we could actually have three day trips again. I'm tired of the oh, we need to work with management line. Hey, I want to work with them and be successful, but the outright anal raping of our contract is pathetic.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Nah, I prefer militant and hard headed. Maybe then we wouldn't have red arrows everywhere, and we could actually have three day trips again. I'm tired of the oh, we need to work with management line. Hey, I want to work with them and be successful, but the outright anal raping of our contract is pathetic.

Fighting the "red arrow" battle is pointless as it is only an issue with the current bidding system...It won't be an issue with PBS. By the time the issue goes to an arbitrator, we will be using PBS. It would simply be a waste of money to fight it.

 

[No Delay]

You are correct about the "Red Arrow" issue...however, I think our pilot group is getting tired of ALPA leaders being so quick to bow down to the company.


I think our next ALPA president and our next reps should be thugs! Ex-cons. We need someone who is not afraid to bust a kneecap.

 

[COOPERVANE]

"Go ahead and fly it....grieve it later.....just do what they say....our contract language is vague in that area.........unfortunately, we didn't anticipate the company doing that......."

Getting tired of it too

 

[wms]

It doesn't matter what our current MEC is, after SLI they're history.

I hope the new MEC works with the company to have a mutually successful operation, but I'm sure they'll bring spine to the negotiating table.

 

[CFI2766]

Wow....

Lots of complaints about an MEC that has brought the ASA pilot group one of the best, if not the outright best contract in the regional industry.


Just sayin'.

Bust a kneecap? Sheeesh. Come on, that would take effort.

 

[Freebrd]

Wow....Lots of complaints about an MEC that has brought the ASA pilot group one of the best, if not the outright best contract in the regional industry.

:nuts: u crazy man, yeah like that fantasic scheduling section, like all that great shet we got for pbs (well union people did, what 6 hours credit), like that great pay hike evry year, sure man its the best uke:

 

[Oakum_Boy]

It's a regional. Let's not get too excited.

 

[PCL_128]

They aren't "pacifists"....They are pragmatic realists with the ability to reason logically...Something we should want in our union leaders.

Damn it, Joey, you're getting downright reasonable in your old age.

Nah, I prefer militant and hard headed.

Those kinds of reps never accomplish anything, and usually leave their pilots suffering for long periods of time with no improvements. Reference USAirways.

 

[007]

I think we here at XJT should all be stapled to the bottom of your list. That way our MEC (who is only out to save his seniority) will be at the bottom with everyone else.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Damn it, Joey, you're getting downright reasonable in your old age.

I have always thought this way....This has been by problem with ALPA in the past...We didn't always have a pragmatic MEC. This may come as a shock to you, but ALPA people aren't always "downright reasonable".....

 

[No Delay]

reasonable?
I am all about that. Is it not reasonable to expect the company to properly staff the airline?

Instead, we let the company take our off days, extend us, RED ARROW EVERY DAY, rarely allow a swap, never allow a drop, hold enough trips back to build 10-20 lines, exhaust our reserves the first day without allowing for any sick calls or IROPs, furlough our pilots and displace our captains then offer premium pay because we are short of pilots.

They try to convince us that a 16 hour 4-day is more efficient than a 20 hour 3-day. We use to have great schedules. It was nothing for us to have 200 lines with all 3-days.

Is it reasonable to expect to have a contract with FIRM language in it? How about our next contract saying, The pilots MAY show up to work or at the pilots discretion...

Isn't it reasonable to expect our union reps to represent us? Every had a contract issue? Ever tried to file a grievance? Try it! Then go look at your pay stub where is says ALPA dues....and ask if that is fair and reasonable.

I am all about reasonable. Can we get that?

 

[the palm]

It doesn't matter what our current MEC is, after SLI they're history.

Not exactly. Fences will be put in place (I'm guessing 3-5 years) that will prevent intermingling of the pilot groups. So it will be at least that long before any XJT people are reps in ATL or IAD. And how many XJT pilots will actually transfer to ATL or IAD? Prolly not enough not enough to win an election. Then again as apathetic as the ASA pilot group is it may only take a handful....

Remember the furlough fund? 12% participation.
LEC elections? 30% participation.

We are PATHETIC! LOL!

Ofcourse the combined MEC will be able to roll call everything in XJT's favor almost immediately....just sayin'.

 

[crj567]

reasonable?
I am all about that. Is it not reasonable to expect the company to properly staff the airline?

Instead, we let the company take our off days, extend us, RED ARROW EVERY DAY, rarely allow a swap, never allow a drop, hold enough trips back to build 10-20 lines, exhaust our reserves the first day without allowing for any sick calls or IROPs, furlough our pilots and displace our captains then offer premium pay because we are short of pilots.

They try to convince us that a 16 hour 4-day is more efficient than a 20 hour 3-day. We use to have great schedules. It was nothing for us to have 200 lines with all 3-days.

Is it reasonable to expect to have a contract with FIRM language in it? How about our next contract saying, The pilots MAY show up to work or at the pilots discretion...

Isn't it reasonable to expect our union reps to represent us? Every had a contract issue? Ever tried to file a grievance? Try it! Then go look at your pay stub where is says ALPA dues....and ask if that is fair and reasonable.

I am all about reasonable. Can we get that?

VERY good points!

Of course, back when things were reasonable, we used to have union guys who knew how to fight (at least a little.) They also used to not do underhanded, B.S. crap like shove a complete crap PBS system (which STILL doesn't work well enough to even practice on) down our throats in exchange for a completely self-serving raise for their union work.

Every one of those guys should be drummed out of office-and surely would be if we had a pilot group which gave a rat's ass about anything at all.

 

[007]

Remember the furlough fund? 12% participation.
LEC elections? 30% participation.

We are PATHETIC! LOL!

Dont worry, our participation is just as bad as yours.

 

[Freebrd]

reasonable?
I am all about that. Is it not reasonable to expect the company to properly staff the airline?

Instead, we let the company take our off days, extend us, red arrow every day, rarely allow a swap, never allow a drop, hold enough trips back to build 10-20 lines, exhaust our reserves the first day without allowing for any sick calls or irops, furlough our pilots and displace our captains then offer premium pay because we are short of pilots.

They try to convince us that a 16 hour 4-day is more efficient than a 20 hour 3-day. We use to have great schedules. It was nothing for us to have 200 lines with all 3-days.

Is it reasonable to expect to have a contract with firm language in it? How about our next contract saying, the pilots may show up to work or at the pilots discretion...

Isn't it reasonable to expect our union reps to represent us? Every had a contract issue? Ever tried to file a grievance? Try it! Then go look at your pay stub where is says alpa dues....and ask if that is fair and reasonable.

I am all about reasonable. Can we get that?

+1 ....

 

[outtahere]

reasonable?
I am all about that. Is it not reasonable to expect the company to properly staff the airline?

Instead, we let the company take our off days, extend us, RED ARROW EVERY DAY, rarely allow a swap, never allow a drop, hold enough trips back to build 10-20 lines, exhaust our reserves the first day without allowing for any sick calls or IROPs, furlough our pilots and displace our captains then offer premium pay because we are short of pilots.

They try to convince us that a 16 hour 4-day is more efficient than a 20 hour 3-day. We use to have great schedules. It was nothing for us to have 200 lines with all 3-days.

Is it reasonable to expect to have a contract with FIRM language in it? How about our next contract saying, The pilots MAY show up to work or at the pilots discretion...

Isn't it reasonable to expect our union reps to represent us? Every had a contract issue? Ever tried to file a grievance? Try it! Then go look at your pay stub where is says ALPA dues....and ask if that is fair and reasonable.

I am all about reasonable. Can we get that?

Can I get an AMEN!!!! Preach on brother.