ASA Merger Committee

[Whydoitry]

It's not going to go DOH just give it up already.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

It's not going to go DOH just give it up already.

thank you

 

[wms]

What about the tie breakers? There are many instances where there was hiring at each company on the same date. This is where it's more complicated than arranging just pure DOH...

Ties go to the purchasing company.

 

[wms]

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[outtahere]

Maybe not straight DOH, but it won't be straight relative either. Not without all of the ASA guys here longer than four years doing all the can to stop the integration.

 

[DHPFLYN]

But what is fair? Everyone has their own idea what fair means. To me it means getting the best possible deal for ASA pilots. We are the buyers. We are the more profitable company. We have bigger planes. Most importantly we fly the "9". We deserve the best.

Ya nice pay for those bigger planes

 

[damnflyboy]

But what is fair? Everyone has their own idea what fair means. To me it means getting the best possible deal for ASA pilots. We are the buyers. We are the more profitable company. We have bigger planes. Most importantly we fly the "9". We deserve the best.

We're merging. "We" didn't buy them as pilots with our little piggy bank. Sure, as Atlantic SE pilots we did our jobs well and we made SkyWest INC (ultimately) money as an implementation of their money-making machine...but the pilots didn't buy XJT. Don't kid yourselves...we're merely oxen working side-by-side, pulling a cart full of decision-makers. Do you really think Atlantic Southeast will be a happy and productive place to work if we screw our new brothers over (who out-number us, might I add)? Fair means nobody wins and nobody loses.

"We have bigger planes"? "...we fly the "9"'? Don't be retarded. Don't be the palm.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Fair means nobody wins and nobody loses.

That's B.S., and you know it. Fair doesn't exist anywhere except in kindergarten.

I believe it should be straight DOH, even though that isn't in my personal best interest. Those at XJT who would have been here for the merger, went on to Continental with the flow. Those who have been at XJT since 1999 would not have been at ASA any sooner if they had chosen to come here instead of XJT.

I fail to understand why it should be anything other than DOH. Just because their airline is relatively junior compared to ours? That is irrelevant. They have been in the business less time. Period. If someone was hired at XJT a month before me, they should be senior to me, and vice versa. Anything else is just idiotic. Grow up, and face that sometimes an acquisition doesn't equal "fair." If we were relatively junior to them, I would think the same thing.

 

[damnflyboy]

That's B.S., and you know it. Fair doesn't exist anywhere except in kindergarten.

...and even in kindergarten, I suppose. It's out of our hands, anyway (unless you're on the committee). No sense arguing about it. Agree to disagree.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

...and even in kindergarten, I suppose. It's out of our hands, anyway (unless you're on the committee). No sense arguing about it. Agree to disagree.

Agreed.

 

[Speedtape]

I noticed that everyone is represented except for junior FO's. Guess it sucks to be a junior FO. I'm sure the gum smacking EF will have their backs.

To my recollection:

1. He strongly supported FO pay at 60% Captain in 1998--passed
2. He strongly supported increasing new hire start pay---passed
3. He represented all pilots well in Mediation phase--accomplished
4. Participated in executing negotiations in most successful contract '98--passed at 92%
5. Stepped up to plate to help furloughees from a volunteer fund--and you
6. Negotiated initial 700 rates that included pay increase for all pilots on all equipment--bravo

Those are some of his accomplishments! What are yours?

 

[skootertrash]

But what is fair? Everyone has their own idea what fair means. To me it means getting the best possible deal for ASA pilots. We are the buyers. We are the more profitable company. We have bigger planes. Most importantly we fly the "9". We deserve the best.

Oh this ought to be fun. You do realize that ASA is outnumbered and XJT pilots will control the union through a roll call vote don't you? Jack wagon.

Keep talking date of hire all you want. Aint gonna happen. It's not fair and equitable and the XJT guys will shut the freaking doors. We're already gonna get your shiity contract shoved up our as$es. You want us to cry twice? I don't think so.

 

[Plainsman]

EF warned the fos about letting the company take lines away for training last contract around. He is a good choice along with LP. Don't know the other two but I am ok with LP and EF. People need to quit bitching so much until we get facts. Bunch of kukky luckies!

 

[outtahere]

Oh this ought to be fun. You do realize that ASA is outnumbered and XJT pilots will control the union through a roll call vote don't you? Jack wagon.

Keep talking date of hire all you want. Aint gonna happen. It's not fair and equitable and the XJT guys will shut the freaking doors. We're already gonna get your shiity contract shoved up our as$es. You want us to cry twice? I don't think so.

Maybe not straight DOH, but it won't be straight relative either, thats not fair and equitable to the ASA pilots, and we don't give a crap if you cry or not.

 

[Whydoitry]

Maybe not straight DOH, but it won't be straight relative either, thats not fair and equitable to the ASA pilots, and we don't give a crap if you cry or not.

How is relative seniority not fair? And why is this a debate, it will be decided by the committees and an arbitrator. Line pilots will not have a vote.

 

[the palm]

Oh this ought to be fun. You do realize that ASA is outnumbered and XJT pilots will control the union through a roll call vote don't you? Jack wagon.

Keep talking date of hire all you want. Aint gonna happen. It's not fair and equitable and the XJT guys will shut the freaking doors. We're already gonna get your shiity contract shoved up our as$es. You want us to cry twice? I don't think so.

You have it all backwards, you ignorant fool. Haven't you read section 45 of the ALPA admin manual yet? The seniority list will be decided by the merger committee and probably an arbitrator. No vote required by the pilot group. As for our $hitty contract....you will get to vote on that. I would love to see you guys cry twice

 

[outtahere]

Because guys at XJT with less than five years will be moving in front of ASA guys with over seven. Not fair. DOH is however, though you'd never admit it.

 

[Whydoitry]

Because guys at XJT with less than five years will be moving in front of ASA guys with over seven. Not fair. DOH is however, though you'd never admit it.

So what? Relative means whatever percentage you were before integration you are after integration, no gain no loss. The absolute number of years is irrelevant. You are making the USAir East argument. You are making the argument I had with a UAL guy who said he (1999 hire) should be senior to a CAL guy who was hired in 2005, even though that 2005 hire flew as a CA and the UAL guy never did. Relative seniority is as equitable as you can get.

But again, it's not up to us, and won't be up for a vote, so why worry?

 

[sayrejm]

Yes it does matter... percentage or not, if the guy is in front of you than he gets the line before you do when you've been flying for an airline (assuming first 121 job) longer than he has. Not saying I agree with one side or the other I am just trying to shed light on a point of view.

 

[Whydoitry]

Yes it does matter... percentage or not, if the guy is in front of you than he gets the line before you do when you've been flying for an airline (assuming first 121 job) longer than he has. Not saying I agree with one side or the other I am just trying to shed light on a point of view.

ASA will be going from two domiciles to six, more than doubling it's fleet and pilots. There will be some pilots moving around, but probably no much, and with the relative seniority if you held 15 days off before you will probably still hold 15days off after. What are you guys afraid of? Do you think every XJT pilot is going to bid ATL? The risk is probably greater for XJT pilots who will be displaced by ASA pilots from Texas.