ASA Merger Committee

[crj567]

yeh but the same clowns just run again or the ousted ones just end up on a committee look at the PBS dude, now in charge of the neg team :angryfire

we need to take back that 6 hr crap we only get 4 for PCs! ok compromise and we both get 5 hrs! :beer:

This fact is really pissing me off lately. I was very much unimpressed with his road shows. I hate the fact the he sat up there and pretty much tried to tell us that we were too stupid to read what we were reading-we actually pay dues for this kind of flim-flam job!

-Once people figure out how much we lost by agreeing to this crap PBS mess, I have faith that they will finally wake up and send people like that back to the line......

 

[Cpt Oveur]

This fact is really pissing me off lately. I was very much unimpressed with his road shows. I hate the fact the he sat up there and pretty much tried to tell us that we were too stupid to read what we were reading-we actually pay dues for this kind of flim-flam job!

-Once people figure out how much we lost by agreeing to this crap PBS mess, I have faith that they will finally wake up and send people like that back to the line......

Yes you may disagree with what he says at the roadshows, but he does not beat around the bush. I've found that if I just talk to them one on one or pick up the phone and call them, anyone in the union will take the time and explain or discuss whatever you need to.

 

[NotTooBad]

Voting all our reps out of office will damn sure fix some attitudes! Once people get drilled in the butt by our crap PBS agreement for a while, I think our pathetic pilot group may finally wake up and do what sorely needs to be done.

If our guys won't do it, the XJET guys sure as hell will!

-Enjoy that 6 hrs per day while it lasts.

What's the worst that could happen? A bunch of 4 day trips with 11 & 12 days off a month?

 

[No Delay]

The problem is the same problem we have with congress.

I believe many good men start in congress with the purest of intentions...a real desire to make life better for the people they represent. Unfortunately, they all soon get sucked into the lifestyle. They get lost in the power, pay, and comfort.

I believe our union reps start with good intentions. But soon they have the extra pay (6 hrs/day) and the flexible schedules (crappy 4 day??? naa, I think there's a union meeting! Suddenly, they are pretty much their own boss, not much accountability, etc.

I think some easy fixes would be to first resend the 6 hr pay. An earlier post was correct...why is their 1 hour meeting worth so much more than our 8 hours of recurrent?????????? Someone in the union please explain that.

Also, if you want to work in the union...there should be a limit on how many trips they can drop or days they can miss. Why not put all union reps on reserve? or ready reserve? It doesn't take long to forget where you came from....but you won't forget where you are! Our reps should never forget who they represent. Every pilot from the top to the bottom!

Or how about taking back the 6 hrs of pay, have the union reps and pilots set goals on what they hope to accomplish (being reasonable of course), and then create some type of bonus system. Pay them for what they accomplish! Have the pilots vote on their bonuses!!! Bet you would get some representation then. Why should we pay someone when our quality of life is getting worse every year?

Just my 2 cents.

 

[the palm]

My QOL has done nothing but improve over my career here.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Freebrd]

My QOL has done nothing but improve over my career here.Just my 2 cents.

that's because you have the best of two worlds Palm, flying shiny (s0metimes anyway) jets and then jetting off on your secret missions James Bond all over the world!

 

[PCL_128]

The problem is the same problem we have with congress.

I believe many good men start in congress with the purest of intentions...a real desire to make life better for the people they represent. Unfortunately, they all soon get sucked into the lifestyle. They get lost in the power, pay, and comfort.

I believe our union reps start with good intentions. But soon they have the extra pay (6 hrs/day) and the flexible schedules (crappy 4 day??? naa, I think there's a union meeting! Suddenly, they are pretty much their own boss, not much accountability, etc.

I think some easy fixes would be to first resend the 6 hr pay. An earlier post was correct...why is their 1 hour meeting worth so much more than our 8 hours of recurrent?????????? Someone in the union please explain that.

Also, if you want to work in the union...there should be a limit on how many trips they can drop or days they can miss. Why not put all union reps on reserve? or ready reserve? It doesn't take long to forget where you came from....but you won't forget where you are! Our reps should never forget who they represent. Every pilot from the top to the bottom!

Or how about taking back the 6 hrs of pay, have the union reps and pilots set goals on what they hope to accomplish (being reasonable of course), and then create some type of bonus system. Pay them for what they accomplish! Have the pilots vote on their bonuses!!! Bet you would get some representation then. Why should we pay someone when our quality of life is getting worse every year?

Just my 2 cents.

Here's an idea: if being a union rep is such a wonderful, cushy job, why don't you run for office and take advantage of all these supposed perks? I mean, if it's such a great gig, guys should be tripping over themselves to get to the meeting to get nominated, right?

But of course, reality is a different story. Your reps are usually flying full schedules plus doing their union work on most of their days off, leaving little time for fun and family. They are usually working through lunch and hurrying through eating a Chick-Fil-A sandwich, not dining on lobster. They are usually working 16 hour days when they get trip drops, not lounging around relaxing.

Time for a reality check, folks. Being a union rep is a crappy job, not a cushy gig. That's why few people keep doing it long-term. Only a handful of really dedicated people can last longer than one or two terms before burning out. Show some respect for the people that are working hard to make your lives better. There are a lot of great people working for the ASA pilots.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Every time...and I mean EVERY TIME there is some criticism of the union guys, the standard response is "well, what have YOU done for the union?" or "YOU are the union" "why don't YOU run for office"

Every time I have asked to participate I was told they didn't need any help.

I don't think our reps sit around and eat lobster while sunning at the beach everyday, but I have seen a fundamental change since I have been here. We seem to be in an era of acquiescence and "cooperation" with the company.

When I found PBS was sold to us by reps who were bribed by the company with a pay raise, I was pissed. Face it guys.... that does not look good. That looks very, very bad. Did you really think you could sneak that in unnoticed? Do you REALIZE how bad that looks?

All I want is a rep that does what he says he will do. I am not a First officer, but I want a rep who will look out for THEM. I am not a senior lifer but I want a rep who will look out for THEM. I AM a reserve Captain. I also want a rep who will look out for ME.
What I don't want is a rep who tells me reserve sucks and just deal with it. After 3.5 years, it is wearing THIN. We should be improving QOL for EVERYBODY, from top to bottom.

Does anyone remember the campaign posters plastered everywhere? Remember what every one of them said?

"I will listen to all our pilots and look out for everyone's interests"

Well, In MY opinion that is not being done.

Don't run for office if you don't want to do the work

BTW, sorry about the thread creep. I think the merger committee will do a fine job and I respect these guys. I am just tired of the elected reps.

 

[sweptback]

If the reps aren't getting the job done, recall them!

 

[the palm]

How you gonna recall the reps? My buddy told me the last LEC meeting had more ALPA guys show up than regular line pilots. I do believe the majority of our pilots are happy and just don't want to make waves. Yeah, we got our problems, but who doesn't?

 

[crj567]

Every time...and I mean EVERY TIME there is some criticism of the union guys, the standard response is "well, what have YOU done for the union?" or "YOU are the union" "why don't YOU run for office"

Every time I have asked to participate I was told they didn't need any help.

I don't think our reps sit around and eat lobster while sunning at the beach everyday, but I have seen a fundamental change since I have been here. We seem to be in an era of acquiescence and "cooperation" with the company.

When I found PBS was sold to us by reps who were bribed by the company with a pay raise, I was pissed. Face it guys.... that does not look good. That looks very, very bad. Did you really think you could sneak that in unnoticed? Do you REALIZE how bad that looks?

All I want is a rep that does what he says he will do. I am not a First officer, but I want a rep who will look out for THEM. I am not a senior lifer but I want a rep who will look out for THEM. I AM a reserve Captain. I also want a rep who will look out for ME.
What I don't want is a rep who tells me reserve sucks and just deal with it. After 3.5 years, it is wearing THIN. We should be improving QOL for EVERYBODY, from top to bottom.

Does anyone remember the campaign posters plastered everywhere? Remember what every one of them said?

"I will listen to all our pilots and look out for everyone's interests"

Well, In MY opinion that is not being done.

Don't run for office if you don't want to do the work

BTW, sorry about the thread creep. I think the merger committee will do a fine job and I respect these guys. I am just tired of the elected reps.

EXCELLENT POST!

-I feel the same way about all these issues. I have been around long enough to see our union go thru several cycles, and by far we are in the most limp-wristed, mamby-pamby one I have ever see! Our current reps are so far up the company's ass, it really makes me wonder what the hell is going on.

Why the hell do we pay dues to hear the same lines of B.S. (verbatim) from our elected reps which we hear from the senior mgmt. guys in recurrent? I could save my freaking money and just listen each load of garbage only once-from people I would expect to hear it from.

I am still not happy about the raise, nor am I happy about the fact that I heard nothing about this little tidbit at the roadshow, nor did I read about it in any memo. The biggest thing that made me angry was the silly-ass response (at the roadshow) whenever anyone had anything negative to say about the agreement. The subject was quickly shifted, and pilot after pilot at the show was pretty much told they had no idea what they were talking about.

It is a shame that all the pitfalls and all the negative aspects of this agreement were right there in black-and-white, but our pilot group was so uncaring and non-participatory that almost everyone missed them. I guess that is the root cause of why the heck we are so screwed with these guys now.

-Simply Insulting!

 

[JumpersAway]

CRJ- Why not step out into the lime light and take a more proactive response? Bitching on a web board with complete anonymity isn't accomplishing much, if anything. Your gripes are prominent with every single discussion in regard to PBS, and the reps. If you are truly upset, then change it. Introduce yourself here, form a platform, and run on it.........

 

[COOPERVANE]

CRJ- Why not step out into the lime light and take a more proactive response? Bitching on a web board with complete anonymity isn't accomplishing much, if anything. Your gripes are prominent with every single discussion in regard to PBS, and the reps. If you are truly upset, then change it. Introduce yourself here, form a platform, and run on it.........

Jumpers...You are right and I mostly agree with you. I don't just bitch on this board and my reps know how I feel. They just don't care.

CRJ and I should not HAVE to run for office achieve honest trustworthy representation. I just want to be a regular line pilot. I have no political aspirations. Those that DO..... the ones WE elected, have a responsibility to represent the interests of the whole pilot group, not just themselves. In my opinion, they are not doing that.

If you are saying that the only way to achieve fairness across the entire seniority list, is for me to do it myself, I don't know what to say. Other than replace them ALL.

 

[crj567]

Jumpers...You are right and I mostly agree with you. I don't just bitch on this board and my reps know how I feel. They just don't care.

CRJ and I should not HAVE to run for office achieve honest trustworthy representation. I just want to be a regular line pilot. I have no political aspirations. Those that DO..... the ones WE elected, have a responsibility to represent the interests of the whole pilot group, not just themselves. In my opinion, they are not doing that.

If you are saying that the only way to achieve fairness across the entire seniority list, is for me to do it myself, I don't know what to say. Other than replace them ALL.

I, too am tired hearing this "what have you done to change things" load.... There are a few people who have been involved with the union for a long time who have been forced to resign lately. I am not up for what is going on over there. Some people seem to think that our union welcomes all, and that everyone will be taken in as an equal and given an ear even though they may disagree with some things. Maybe jumpers should pay more attention-if people don't tow the line 100%, their help is not needed.

-I am not interested in wasting my time trying to unseat the current monarchy. They are well entrenched and have shown that they will lay to waste all who show dissent. Hopefully XJET people will see this and fix it.

 

[JumpersAway]

CRJ- I've got a front row wiindow seat just like everyone else. And yes, I am, and have been, paying attention. The system is not perfect, neither is the representation 100% of the time. However, I think you are missing the point- channel your frustrations through the effective sources, and if they aren't effective, then affect change on your own.

Don't get me wrong- I think new blood would be a good thing within our MEC. However, I will say that I'm not at all up for completely replacing every ASA MEC member with an ExpressJet ALPA member. I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic here. Time will tell.